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To boldly go... EVE vs Real Life: What will space look like if we head out to deeper waters?

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Master Tarn
Keeping Up Appearances
#1 - 2012-09-03 11:18:13 UTC
Today i stumbled upon a thread where... once again... people complain about highsec carebearing, no risk vs reward, the evil nature of people in eve, etc. etc.

Now, deep space exploration/traveling, hell, even colonization become more and more of a reality as we progress in real life.

I would like this thread to be about what the eve community expects if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space.

Will we be littering space with our trash? Depleting natural resources as we currently do on our planet? Will we be spending billions on building war machines to blow each other up for personal profit and gain? Or perhaps we have clasped hands together to fight mutual alien foes instead that threaten human race on a cosmic level?

If we take EVE as reference... then perhaps we need to worry? Or will we be fine and good little carebears?

Looking forward to the eve community's view.

o7
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-09-03 11:19:14 UTC
But EVE IS real.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Master Tarn
Keeping Up Appearances
#3 - 2012-09-03 11:27:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
But EVE IS real.


I lost my ship Houston... where can i petition?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2012-09-03 11:36:20 UTC
We will be carebears because our spaceships will be worse than rookie ships!
Master Tarn
Keeping Up Appearances
#5 - 2012-09-03 11:41:22 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
We will be carebears because our spaceships will be worse than rookie ships!


LIES !!

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2012-09-03 11:49:21 UTC
Master Tarn wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
We will be carebears because our spaceships will be worse than rookie ships!


LIES !!



Oh it has a 10 megapixel camera... That's some pretty serious hardware.
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#7 - 2012-09-03 11:49:47 UTC
If men colonize & meet aliens they will undoubtedly **** each other over to gain power/wealth/tech advantage.
If men colonize & don't meet aliens they will undoubtedly **** each other over to gain power/wealth/tech advantage.
If men say **** space and stay at home they will undoubtedly **** each other over to gain power/wealth/tech advantage.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#8 - 2012-09-03 12:02:10 UTC
Master Tarn wrote:
Today i stumbled upon a thread where... once again... people complain about highsec carebearing, no risk vs reward, the evil nature of people in eve, etc. etc.

Now, deep space exploration/traveling, hell, even colonization become more and more of a reality as we progress in real life.

I would like this thread to be about what the eve community expects if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space.

Will we be littering space with our trash? Depleting natural resources as we currently do on our planet? Will we be spending billions on building war machines to blow each other up for personal profit and gain? Or perhaps we have clasped hands together to fight mutual alien foes instead that threaten human race on a cosmic level?

If we take EVE as reference... then perhaps we need to worry? Or will we be fine and good little carebears?

Looking forward to the eve community's view.

o7


We should, (but rarely do), learn from our history. War in space is inevitable. I want this sector because it has planets/moons/asteroids rich in exotic ores and other resources. You want it as well. Claim and counter-claim, human-invented religions to back one or another cause. War is a given. Death without clones to come back to makes death very permanent.

Let us hope that we come across aliens who are hostlie and do not overwhelm us with vastly-superior technology. Something that can unite us (but will it though?) as human beings against a common enemy. Problem is, you will still have to deal with human greed. There will be turncoats who will sell-out information to the enemy, at a price.

Take Eve as a reference if you wish, but you need not. Take human history in terms of discovery, conquests and wars. It's all there.

Eve is just a game where some people play-out already inherent human attributes. We are wired for conflict and war, we are wired to protect our own when threatened. We are wired for greed.

Being good little carebears, as you put it, is the only hope for the longterm survival of humanity. The danger with this ultimate "paradise" would be stagnation. As humans, we require chaos in our lives in order to adapt and survive. Necessity is the Mother of invention. In a care-free world, invention would die-off.

The good and the bad in us must be used to our full advantage for the survival of the species as a whole.
In this, Eve is a mirror. Without PvP, Eve will die. Without PvE, Eve will die.

o7


Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#9 - 2012-09-03 13:26:23 UTC
We probably won't have much say, it will be large corporations that decide things if we do start colonizing.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.

Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-09-03 13:30:24 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
We probably won't have much say, it will be large corporations that decide things if we do start colonizing.


God damn Goons! Amirite?!?

James315 for CSM 8!

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#11 - 2012-09-03 13:33:47 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Virgil Travis wrote:
We probably won't have much say, it will be large corporations that decide things if we do start colonizing.


God damn Goons! Amirite?!?


As long as it's not Weyland-Yutani we might be ok

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#12 - 2012-09-03 13:37:30 UTC
Well, we already litter in space. Earths orbit is chock full of rocket bodies and other space junk. There were concerns over curiosities nuclear fuel cells - if there were an accident mars would be showered in radioactive material - but we went ahead and did it anyway... I get the feeling we'l care even less for other worlds than we do for our own. Humans suck tbh.

stoicfaux
#13 - 2012-09-03 13:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Master Tarn wrote:
Now, deep space exploration/traveling, hell, even colonization become more and more of a reality as we progress in real life.

Not really. Until we develop an efficient means of getting stuff into orbit (i.e. space elevator) and a decent propulsion system (i.e. fusion power) our space exploration/traveling abilities are too limited.

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I would like this thread to be about what the eve community expects if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space.

Will we be littering space with our trash? Depleting natural resources as we currently do on our planet?

Trash in orbit is a problem. Asking about trash in space or depleting resources in space means that you have no idea of just how big space is.

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Will we be spending billions on building war machines to blow each other up for personal profit and gain?

If we can get into space to acquire resources efficiently, then it would be relatively cheap to wipe out humanity on Earth. Not much profit in that.

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Or perhaps we have clasped hands together to fight mutual alien foes instead that threaten human race on a cosmic level?

Odds are that aliens would be either so far advanced or so far behind us technologically that it wouldn't be a contest. Look at what we've accomplished in the last hundred years in terms of flight and space flight. Now imagine going up against an alien civilization that's been around a million years longer than we have. (Time on the universal scale is just mind boggling: Humanity is ~2 million years old, the dinosaurs were wiped out ~65 million years ago. Imagine what Earth's civilizations would be like if the dinosaurs hadn't been wiped out and had been evolving over the last 65 million years.)

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If we take EVE as reference... then perhaps we need to worry? Or will we be fine and good little carebears?

Eve isn't a reference.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Sturmwolke
#14 - 2012-09-03 13:56:41 UTC
Taking into account :
* the odds of finding an earth-like planet (1G, temperate, water, oxgen and magnetosphere) in our galaxy.
* the odds of humans not being the first race out there to lay claim on the Goldilock zone exoplanets.
* the odds of humans self-destructing and susbsequent devolution of technology.
* the human penchant for war and destruction, plus other negative traits.
* the possibility of manipulation by non-human entities over the entire human race for whatever reasons.

I'd say, good luck at the colonization project.
Tekniq
Bionic Systems
#15 - 2012-09-03 14:18:44 UTC
Master Tarn wrote:
if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space.



its not cost effective and will never happen. the great times of spaceflights are over

we now can send cheap drones / robots, or just build some telescopes into space. but humans flying to space will get to zero soon.
impli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-09-03 15:10:07 UTC
nope in 50 years we are still on earth and calc the costs to bring a single coin into the space ... If we are unable to brake the gravity easily or speedup to or faster than light .. we goona stay right there where we are .. on a OIL pest rock named earth.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-09-03 15:14:16 UTC
The miners would go insane and be the serial killers

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-09-03 15:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Assuming we ever made it off our homeworld in any kind of lasting way, and assuming we somehow managed to develop the technology to travel the vast distances of space without it taking the better part of a human lifetime or even generations, and assuming we could do this in such a way as to maintain some sort of interplanetary communication and logistics structure and not just cast seeds of humanity to the solar winds to fend for themselves... I would worry about humanity coming into contact with the preverbial Jovians, acting like we all too often do towards each other, and as a result getting not only themselves stomped on like ants but provoking said Jove like race to come back here and wipe a potential menace from the face of this planet with about as much effort as it takes to press a button.

I hate to be pessimistic about it because ever since I was old enough to look up at the sky and understand the concept of space I have dreamt of leaving this world and drifting through space in the spirit of exploration and exocultural contact, but right now humanity in my opinion just doesn't have the level of respect for itself or our homeworld to justify our exodus from it without risking further harm to ourselves or other worlds.

So maybe as we play these kinda games we might realize from a certain perspective they aren't just games, they're tests, and so far in my opinion I don't see humanity passing.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Uris Vitgar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-09-03 16:18:16 UTC
Technology doesn't always advance at a predictable rate. For all we know somebody might figure out a way to make a nuclear thermal rocket that works (without spewing radioactive death into the atmosphere) tomorrow, and finish building and testing it before the end of the decade. That's all it takes to make space officially open for business
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-09-03 16:22:34 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Assuming we ever made it off our homeworld in any kind of lasting way, and assuming we somehow managed to develop the technology to travel the vast distances of space without it taking the better part of a human lifetime or even generations, and assuming we could do this in such a way as to maintain some sort of interplanetary communication and logistics structure and not just cast seeds of humanity to the solar winds to fend for themselves... I would worry about humanity coming into contact with the preverbial Jovians, acting like we all too often do towards each other, and as a result getting not only themselves stomped on like ants but provoking said Jove like race to come back here and wipe a potential menace from the face of this planet with about as much effort as it takes to press a button.

I hate to be pessimistic about it because ever since I was old enough to look up at the sky and understand the concept of space I have dreamt of leaving this world and drifting through space in the spirit of exploration and exocultural contact, but right now humanity in my opinion just doesn't have the level of respect for itself or our homeworld to justify our exodus from it without risking further harm to ourselves or other worlds.

So maybe as we play these kinda games we might realize from a certain perspective they aren't just games, they're tests, and so far in my opinion I don't see humanity passing.


What if we are the most advanced civilization in the universe? I mean someone has to be first, why not us. Maybe we will be the Jovians to other species on different planets.

James315 for CSM 8!

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