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Eve's Death Knell

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2012-09-03 12:54:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I'm fine with highsec levels of income staying as they are as long as nullsec levels are buffed. Otherwise, highsec should be nerfed.

The risk vs. reward is out of whack otherwise.


Going by my hourly income and that of other missions runners I know, 30mill seems to be an average figure, (yes, I know some folk say they earn - insert desired fantasy figure here - per hour) what is the average hourly income for null players, assumimg one is playing in corp/alliance space?

I expect null players to now cry povertySmile

30-40 mill per hour is about average, yes. Ratting in my Tengu gives me ticks of around 12-15 million.


you're doing something awfully wrong if you're getting 12-15m ticks fyi

In sanctums that's roughly what I get.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#102 - 2012-09-03 13:12:24 UTC
James Vayne wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
My final thoughts on this matter.

Nerfing hi-sec will not make null sec more attractive, it will simply make hi-sec less profitable.

It is false logic to assume that nerfing hi-sec will, in some weird way, yet to be explained, mean more folk will move to null.

Most folk play Eve in an overall context, it is not by any means as simple as nerfing hi-sec income equals more folk in null.


The "logic" is:

"Null sec is smelly poo. If we make hi sec like worse poo, then people will love to come to smelly poo".

Even an idiot can see how it's going to work.



I actually think must of the anti-nullsec propaganda is fear. People are, sadly, scared of losing their ship/pod/implants and so denigrate nullsec as a result that all of those things are quite possible when living in nullsec or lowsec or even on brief visits.

I think people just need to grow up and realise a pixel spaceship is easily replaced in the course of time.


No, they "denigrate" null sec because they keep demanding nerf upon nerf without seeing that "nerf" is not keyword to "entice people to go there". People get tired of this bull after a while so they turn hostile.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-09-03 13:13:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
In sanctums that's roughly what I get.


try hubs

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Josef Djugashvilis
#104 - 2012-09-03 13:24:32 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
This is just another "Eve is dying" troll thread, couched in the disguise of "what if".

What a dissapointment.


Nope, this is about where players choose to play and why.

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-09-03 13:47:09 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
there are no hardcore players in highsec


Then why is hisec full of goons last few months? Smile


Way to misquote! Cool

James315 for CSM 8!
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-09-03 13:49:57 UTC
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool

Man are you pathetic...
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-09-03 15:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Roime wrote:
But don't worry, nobody expects NPC corp members to know anything about EVE.
Another boneheaded statement pulled out of your ass. NPC corps are full of people who left regular corps cause they were full of pricks.

Quote:
Carebears stay in hisec because L4s, 3/10s and 4/10s hand out so much ISK with no effort or risk.
Sure, like all the null dwellers using hi-sec alts to make risk free ISK. God you are dense...


DarthNefarius wrote:
What probably pisses offthe NULLers is that many in HI SEC don't care about them so they get this 'short man complex' & demand HI SEC be nerfed into non existsance. Null whiners wanting to nerf the HI SEC part of sanbox sort of remind me of how my baby sister would always follow me around & when I ignored her she'd start crying then poop in her diapers ( yes I imagine James315 with a very heavy diaper right now with tears in his eyes) .
james is everything that is wrong with EVE...
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-09-03 15:58:43 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Roime wrote:
But don't worry, nobody expects NPC corp members to know anything about EVE.
Another boneheaded statement pulled out of your ass. NPC corps are full of people who left regular corps cause they were full of pricks.

Quote:
Carebears stay in hisec because L4s, 3/10s and 4/10s hand out so much ISK with no effort or risk.
Sure, like all the null dwellers using hi-sec alts to make risk free ISK. God you are dense...


DarthNefarius wrote:
What probably pisses offthe NULLers is that many in HI SEC don't care about them so they get this 'short man complex' & demand HI SEC be nerfed into non existsance. Null whiners wanting to nerf the HI SEC part of sanbox sort of remind me of how my baby sister would always follow me around & when I ignored her she'd start crying then poop in her diapers ( yes I imagine James315 with a very heavy diaper right now with tears in his eyes) .
james is everything that is wrong with EVE...


I'd argue James315 is exactly what Eve needs...a player creating content, even if that content is a villain to you and your peers...maybe do something about it in game instead of just complaining about his posts.

James315 for CSM 8!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-09-03 16:00:31 UTC
James 315 is the hero that hisec deserves, but not the hero that hisec needs.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Josef Djugashvilis
#110 - 2012-09-03 16:02:28 UTC
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-09-03 16:17:33 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK


That is a matter of opinion.

I find James entertaining; one of the few people on the forums I can tolerate reading multiple pages of text from.

James315 for CSM 8!
Josef Djugashvilis
#112 - 2012-09-03 16:31:05 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK


That is a matter of opinion.

I find James entertaining; one of the few people on the forums I can tolerate reading multiple pages of text from.


One man's meat is another man's poison.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2012-09-03 18:30:55 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Did nerfing the rewards of incursions change people's willingness to run them?

Statistically, people who say statistically without actually providing statistics and their source are making stuff up. Also from what I understand about incursions that had to do with the amount of isk incursions paid out, and had nothing to do with how the predatory nature of low/nullsec does not appeal to everyone who plays EVE. [/quote]
The predatory nature of low/nullsec is a risk, which has a higher reward to compensate for incurred losses from said risk. Most EVE players think the reward involved is insufficient relative to the amount of risk involved. Players make decisions with profit in mind. During hulkageddon, some miners moved to lowsec.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#114 - 2012-09-04 00:45:12 UTC
EvE is going to go on for at least another 10 years. In one form or another... get comfortable. A lot of the user base will get old and die before they quit subbing... that alone should fund some kind of server.

It's an unusual game, this EvE of ours.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Selinate
#115 - 2012-09-04 00:52:34 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
When I had about 9m sp (have 98m now so this was a while back) there was a problem with concord so concord was taken offline for 5 minutes.

Probably would've been fine had they not sent an announcement to everyone that concord has stepped out for donuts and will be back in 5 minutes.

At night I can still hear the screaming and then silence Cry


This actually sounds like a freaking AWESOME game event.

I would love this. Suddenly concord says NOPE.
Selinate
#116 - 2012-09-04 01:09:25 UTC
Gogela wrote:
EvE is going to go on for at least another 10 years. In one form or another... get comfortable. A lot of the user base will get old and die before they quit subbing... that alone should fund some kind of server.

It's an unusual game, this EvE of ours.


Doubtful. The realm of gaming will likely have greatly changed in 10 years, along with games like Eve being outdated, either with a new medium to play games on or MMO's simply becoming a thing of the past. I doubt that Eve will still be around.

But we'll see.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-09-04 01:43:20 UTC
EVE better not go away, I just got here. Ugh
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#118 - 2012-09-04 01:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


The balance is, in my opinion, the problem with time spent playing. To a casual player the rewards of high-sec are fairly reasonable. The problem is that hardcore (time and effort) players in high-sec can use the same mechanic for a great pay-off. Most of the low/null casual players that I know use high-sec (directly or as alts) to fund their losses. To cut in to that isk stream would push them out of interest in flying in low and null because the losses take far longer to recoup. Any change to high-sec is going to have to be very measured and very slow to avoid a knee-jerk outrage reaction from the player base and those changes will take years to correctly implement.

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#119 - 2012-09-04 05:39:45 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Gogela wrote:
EvE is going to go on for at least another 10 years. In one form or another... get comfortable. A lot of the user base will get old and die before they quit subbing... that alone should fund some kind of server.

It's an unusual game, this EvE of ours.


Doubtful. The realm of gaming will likely have greatly changed in 10 years, along with games like Eve being outdated, either with a new medium to play games on or MMO's simply becoming a thing of the past. I doubt that Eve will still be around.

But we'll see.

...and a better space MMO will likely come out in that time... maybe...

Still... I'll be here. 'Course I'll probably be there too.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-09-04 08:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James is just boring.

End of - as they say in the Midlands, UK


That is a matter of opinion.

I find James entertaining; one of the few people on the forums I can tolerate reading multiple pages of text from.



You smoking something, when he's not griefing hi sec he writes pages of drivel a minority find interesting and the rest find Roll

If i printed it off, I would wipe my a*s with it, but that would actually deposit more sh*t than wipe it off.

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk