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Is faking an exploit in a scam against the rules?

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Avis Johnson
Cobalt Armada
#1 - 2012-09-02 16:02:43 UTC
Let's say that you had the ability to make it look like, to someone who was a rube, you were causing an exploit in the game. Would that be grounds for reversal of transactions and/or banning?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-09-02 16:07:31 UTC
If it's not an exploit it's not an exploit

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Avis Johnson
Cobalt Armada
#3 - 2012-09-02 16:08:14 UTC
Coo cool. Thank you very much.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#4 - 2012-09-02 17:38:59 UTC

my understanding is that if you claim to use an exploit when scamming, even if its not an exploit, that it is still against rules.... someone said he got in trouble for it when he he claimed such a thing in jita trying to get people to part with their isk. I don;'t know for sure though.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#5 - 2012-09-02 17:42:34 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If it's not an exploit it's not an exploit



what it said

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-09-02 20:58:14 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If it's not an exploit it's not an exploit



what it said


This is becasue I'm a ginger, isn't it? Straight

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Riku Klayton
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#7 - 2012-09-02 22:32:08 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If it's not an exploit it's not an exploit



what it said


This is becasue I'm a ginger, isn't it? Straight




Hohoho, wow... lol. Lan wtf xD
o7
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
No Forks Given
#8 - 2012-09-03 06:25:59 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If it's not an exploit it's not an exploit



what it said


This is becasue I'm a ginger, isn't it? Straight


Lanyaie's just jealous, she has to dye hers.

.

Sun Win
#9 - 2012-09-03 09:38:53 UTC
Avis Johnson wrote:
Let's say that you had the ability to make it look like, to someone who was a rube, you were causing an exploit in the game. Would that be grounds for reversal of transactions and/or banning?


I think this is close enough to the line that you should petition it in advance and see what CCP says. If say it is OK and then some later GM tries to ban you, you'll have a record of getting permission.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#10 - 2012-09-03 10:36:37 UTC
The problem you are making for yourself with this course of action is that CCP are complete morons and will probably just take the 'admission of exploiting' at face value rather than correctly investigate your situation before banning you.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#11 - 2012-09-03 10:37:52 UTC
Sun Win wrote:
Avis Johnson wrote:
Let's say that you had the ability to make it look like, to someone who was a rube, you were causing an exploit in the game. Would that be grounds for reversal of transactions and/or banning?


I think this is close enough to the line that you should petition it in advance and see what CCP says. If say it is OK and then some later GM tries to ban you, you'll have a record of getting permission.


Didn't work for Aperture Harmonics re tracking disruption mechanics and it didn't help Hydra in the ATX practice either. CCP have no consistency when it comes to rulings made via petitions.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Doddy
Excidium.
#12 - 2012-09-03 16:07:58 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Sun Win wrote:
Avis Johnson wrote:
Let's say that you had the ability to make it look like, to someone who was a rube, you were causing an exploit in the game. Would that be grounds for reversal of transactions and/or banning?


I think this is close enough to the line that you should petition it in advance and see what CCP says. If say it is OK and then some later GM tries to ban you, you'll have a record of getting permission.


Didn't work for Aperture Harmonics re tracking disruption mechanics and it didn't help Hydra in the ATX practice either. CCP have no consistency when it comes to rulings made via petitions.


"is everything in worm holes working as intended"


lol
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-09-05 02:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If it's not an exploit it's not an exploit



what it said


This is becasue I'm a ginger, isn't it? Straight

She's just jealous she can't scare grown-ups as easily as she can scare children.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-05 03:07:04 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If it's not an exploit it's not an exploit



what it said


This is becasue I'm a ginger, isn't it? Straight

She's just jealous she can't scare grown-ups as easily as she can scare children.


I was mad, I was called 'it' Sad

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-09-05 03:13:20 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I was mad, I was called 'it' Sad

Don't be mad, some people just don't have an eye for beauty.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#16 - 2012-09-05 23:03:15 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
If it's not an exploit it's not an exploit



what it said


This is becasue I'm a ginger, isn't it? Straight

She's just jealous she can't scare grown-ups as easily as she can scare children.


I was mad, I was called 'it' Sad


Don't be mad, you can always change your gender with our current technology level redo your face here and there...yeah...you could become..average, your personality is another story tho

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-09-05 23:20:42 UTC
lanyaie wrote:


Don't be mad, you can always change your gender with our current technology level redo your face here and there...yeah...you could become..average, your personality is another story tho


That totally needs to be an option in Eve, except there should be a percentage based chance that the surgery gets botched with hilarious consequences Big smile

And I could totally change my personality, but then you would be ungraced by my sudden lack of presence

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#18 - 2012-09-06 05:00:59 UTC
If you are talking about the "Hey all, I found an exploit: just right-click on my name then "give money", type in 9999999999999999999 and you will receive this sum. All the devs do it if they need cash"-scam, that one is going on forever, so I assume it already has been petitioned and considered legal by CCP.

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#19 - 2012-09-06 08:14:17 UTC
Thread about gingers

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Beachura
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-09-06 11:56:49 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Sun Win wrote:
Avis Johnson wrote:
Let's say that you had the ability to make it look like, to someone who was a rube, you were causing an exploit in the game. Would that be grounds for reversal of transactions and/or banning?


I think this is close enough to the line that you should petition it in advance and see what CCP says. If say it is OK and then some later GM tries to ban you, you'll have a record of getting permission.


Didn't work for Aperture Harmonics re tracking disruption mechanics and it didn't help Hydra in the ATX practice either. CCP have no consistency when it comes to rulings made via petitions.


Aperture Harmonics as reported in the rooks and kings battle report asked CCP once via petition and CCP clearly replied with a no, this is an exploit. Not happy with this answer they asked a blanket question covering sensor mechanics, a blanket question recieved a blanket answer, CCP said yes to the blanket question and they used this to abuse the gun mechanic, ignoring the original ruling.

This was the reason they were punished.
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