EVE General Discussion

Agree, without thinking to hard on it, cuz I'm drunk and i hate thinking, you can build supers in null, sweet! i want that go there, there is no difference in what you can build in low vs high. T2 only built in low? No then my precious absos and astartes would cost like 500 mil at least. ok so some other processes/ research/ reactions that can only be done in low? Drat that still makes all my t2 hulls cost a ton...meh don't care, more business clearing towers and more wardec contracts. I'm in.

Tons of people do "stick to hisec", not because of some skewed "risk/reward" mechanic, but because of some skewed "effort/reward" mechanic. L4s make it pretty difficult for CCP to make the rewards in nullsec worth it so people will actually move there, without CCP going in a panic over the effect this has on the economy. See: The initial version of the anoms, the panic anom nerf a few months later, and the effect this had on the nullsec population.

Hisec has so much industrial capacity, and makes everything so cheaply and easy to make/get a hold of, that trying to be a manufacturer in nullsec is borderline ******** (that is, unless you're manufacturing supercaps, in which case oh well nowhere else to make them vOv). While this doesn't strictly mean hisec needs to be nerfed, hisec is again setting a very, very high baseline which nullsec will find it hard to compete with.

Now, a hisec representative would probably just end up going "well, nerf JFs, that way it'll be less effort to build it in nullsec", and he'd still probably miss out on the whole issue with deklein having less industrial capacity than a fair bit of the hisec systems in the game as it is, or he'd go "hurr durr put up POSes to expand your industrial capacity", completely ignoring the fact that POS-based manufacturing is a cockstab of epic proportions (and I commend the WH guys for putting up with it, but I don't think they have that much choice), it's a huge security risk for everyone involved, it's a drain on isotopes (which, again, must come from somewhere), etc etc etc.

Both of these things mean that hisec is going to be the preferred place to be for a vast majority of the populous. I'm guilty of this myself, because I've tried to "run anoms" vs "run l4s", and let me tell you it's vastly preferable to run L4s, both effort-wise and stress-wise. I've tried to do industry in nullsec vs doing it in hisec and importing it, and let me tell you it's vastly preferable to do it in hisec and import it. It's cheaper, easier, and most just as importantly it's vastly less effort.


I've no idea what the hell you're going on about, but it sounds like you shouldn't post while drunk.

I always thought the buff lowsec/nullsec/wh approach would be better. But I guess I can't argue with the mighty Ytterbium and his nerf highsec approach. Something has to be done about the disproportionate amount of rewards.

No medical facilities or repair facilities in highsec outside of starter systems plz.

No, high sec doesn't need to be touched, lo and null need to be made more accessible and interesting.

Tal

I really don't understand why CCP has a priority to force people out of high sec.

LIke really do they have a meeting, sit down and say: " Ok guys, most of our subscribers enjoy playing our game this way, we have to change that, we have to make them play a game they don't want to play, that will surely keep them subscribed."

Either way these changes won't do anything at all to solve the "problem" of the concentration of the player base in high sec.

High-sec dwellers won't use low-sec stations, unless you can do away with gate camps. They'll just leave the game, it's odd how PvPers seem to deliberately keep over looking that fact.

You can't make people go where they don't want to go, if CCP try to force the issue they'll just lose people to other MMOs.

…that said, as with so many other things, a POS revamp could really open up huge room and massive flexibility in how changes in this are can be done. I always got the feeling that POSes should have been the norm, somehow, for pretty much all player activities that didn't involve NPCs; that stations would be a watered-down poor man's version of the same thing that you'd want to get away from as soon as possible; and that outposts would be the supercharged version for when you are able and willing to really be responsible for everything.

None of those have happened and a POS revamp that would allow them to be the baseline could prove to be a promising first step.

WEll, what hte dev answered was about trying to push people out of high sec through economic pressures. There's no mentions of adding types of rewards only taking things away from what alot of people like doing already.

W/e though the change isn't relaly big anyways and wont' affect much, I'm just hoping CCP isn't going to continue down the lets' make high sec no good so people don't play there road.

But if CCP keep making high-sec dwellers lower and lower paid, it'll get to the point it's not even worth playing in high-sec then they'll just stop playing.

Make high-sec boring so as to make the others more interesting will only result in lost subs. Why not just wake up to that fact before this game gets ruined by the PvP faction calling for such changes. If CCP wants to make high-sec boring and not cost effective then they obviously are not worried about retaining subs.