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[ATI - HD7*** Series] System Freeze

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#101 - 2012-08-21 18:34:18 UTC
Warr Pigg wrote:

that is false

no its not.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#102 - 2012-08-22 06:30:36 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
So.... EVE and whole CCP is nVidia possitive, testing and optimising their games on nVidia and dont give a sh**t about AMD users ....BUT...... AMD is the one who is making bad and unstable cards? Shocked ...

yes. If hardware is crashing, its always the hardware vendor to blame in the first line.


....always wondered about nVidia users logic Ugh If a game is optimised for particular hardware, its logical that rival hardware will be at a disadvantage and will be crashing.

But if piece of hardware is crashing in OS or driver destroys your card then blame HW manufacturer.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#103 - 2012-08-22 08:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
TharOkha wrote:
....always wondered about nVidia users logic Ugh If a game is optimised for particular hardware, its logical that rival hardware will be at a disadvantage and will be crashing.

crashing hardware is always hardware vendors fault. Drivers must not allow hardware to crash even if the software is not optimized for this type of hardware, thats by far no reason or excuse for it to crash or even freeze the entire system. Because of this I got rid of AMD sh*t, they are apparently ignoring problems and keep distributing broken freezing drivers.

TharOkha wrote:
.But if piece of hardware is crashing in OS or driver destroys your card then blame HW manufacturer.

yeah you're absolutely right, nvidias fault in this case
Warr Pigg
Gravy Train Industries 2
#104 - 2012-08-24 00:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Warr Pigg
Robert Caldera wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
....always wondered about nVidia users logic Ugh If a game is optimised for particular hardware, its logical that rival hardware will be at a disadvantage and will be crashing.

crashing hardware is always hardware vendors fault. Drivers must not allow hardware to crash even if the software is not optimized for this type of hardware, thats by far no reason or excuse for it to crash or even freeze the entire system. Because of this I got rid of AMD sh*t, they are apparently ignoring problems and keep distributing broken freezing drivers.

TharOkha wrote:
.But if piece of hardware is crashing in OS or driver destroys your card then blame HW manufacturer.

yeah you're absolutely right, nvidias fault in this case


if you've been paying attention to this thread at all, which you haven't, you would have noticed that its a driver issue in conjunction with a series of sockets from intel chips that were released before pci-e 3.0, which is what the 7xxx series are. if it was strictly a gpu driver problem, windows would blue screen/restart instead of a hard lock, which indicates a problem with the CPU as well.

so by your logic you should have also stopped using your intel chip. unless of course you are using an AMD chip, which would make you a complete hypocrite.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#105 - 2012-08-24 10:03:49 UTC
I too used to blame my car manufactorer if a bad tyre attached to it goes off during on highway
BIG DON hardergamer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2012-08-28 16:57:03 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
So.... EVE and whole CCP is nVidia possitive, testing and optimising their games on nVidia and dont give a sh**t about AMD users ....BUT...... AMD is the one who is making bad and unstable cards? Shocked ...

yes. If hardware is crashing, its always the hardware vendor to blame in the first line.


So by your logic, when a virus crashes a pc, the hardware vendor is to blame.
Baitrix
J Trade Inc.
#107 - 2012-09-01 09:29:11 UTC
CCP FFS!
Stop me playing WoW instead of EVE just because EVE makes my PC freeze!
No fun losing expensive **** like this!
Having four accounts paid for a friggin year and not being able to play => no fun!
Prothnim
Primi Ordines
#108 - 2012-09-03 04:04:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Prothnim
I'm also having this issue with my system as is a friend of mine with exactly the same components (see below).

Eve always locks up during combat, no response from the system at all forcing a hard reboot. Sometimes it will run for 20 minutes or so without a problem, other times it will crash within seconds of combat starting...

No problems with any other application or games and the system has been 100% stable otherwise.

Intel Core i7-9390K
Gigabyte GA-X79 UD3 (LGA-2011)
16GB Quad channel DDR3
Gigabyte HD 7970 Windforce Edition - Catalyst 12.7
Samsung UA40EH6000M @ 1920x1080 via DVI
Windows 7 64bit Home Edition
OS installed on OCZ 120GB SSD
Eve installed on 1TB Seagate Barracuda

I realize that I'm only one in hundreds of thousands of players and my $'s aren't much in the big picture, but I won't be renewing my subscription until this is resolved.
Smurfinator
Exodus Command
Exodus.
#109 - 2012-09-03 07:35:27 UTC
I'm also having a similar problem when I run 2 clients. 1 client will randomly freeze for about 45 seconds whenever I query the Eve server in some way< but not every time. It may be the map or show info on another toon or check the market etc. This issue started with the last patch for me. My cursor will freely move but the Eve client that freezes will turn white as the notification warns me the program has stopped responding and do I want to close it or wait for it to respond. I usually hit wait and 45 seconds later its back.

Q6600 OC'ed to 3.0
8GB DDR 3 Ram
2x 140GB Raptors
1X 120GB Vertex 2 SSD
Nvidia 790 Ultra Sli
GtX 570 SupeClocked Edition
Erebus Adrastos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-09-03 15:06:41 UTC
Add me to the list. System freezes (not BSOD) only while playing Eve. Dual-clients or opening the map tends to make it worse.

ATI7970 Graphics Card
P7P55D MoBo

CCP can you update us on any theories or avenues you are taking to help troubleshoot?
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#111 - 2012-09-03 23:17:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Bug report submitted, lots of screenies, server logs, DxDiags, the whole bit...Will it ever be looked at?

Fix this, FFSRoll

E:

It's not just ATI cards, or the admitted age of my hardware either, and as far as I know, not a driver issue. It's only started since patch 1.2.6.

Code-optimisation, we can has, pls?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Andromeda Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-09-04 11:51:52 UTC
Still impossible to play with 7xxx cards, it has been quite a few months now...
Erebus Adrastos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2012-09-04 14:34:24 UTC
This is NOT a fix, but I went into CCC and underclocked my card to 880 Mhz and used EVE's optimize settings set to Performance and so far no freezes.

As said, this is NOT a fix, but a possible work-around. I really hope this gets fixed soon... I miss the missile effects.
Grimsha Chieve
Doomheim
#114 - 2012-09-06 11:09:31 UTC
Erebus Adrastos wrote:
This is NOT a fix, but I went into CCC and underclocked my card to 880 Mhz and used EVE's optimize settings set to Performance and so far no freezes.

As said, this is NOT a fix, but a possible work-around. I really hope this gets fixed soon... I miss the missile effects.



It might actually be the minimal settings fixing it, My 9750's default Is 810Mhz.
Prothnim
Primi Ordines
#115 - 2012-09-08 23:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Prothnim
I received a reply to a petition from GM Retrofire that I lodged a couple of days ago suggesting the I try the following;

Reset the 3D settings in the Catalyst Control Panel to default: No change
Change the Preset Interval setting in EVE to default: No change
Lower the Anti Aliasing settings in EVE: Success!

Lowering the AA made no difference, but disabling it did and my wingie (with the exact same hardware) and I have run for 2 days straight now with no crashes... Jaggy edges are ugly and doing my head in, but EVE seems to be stable without AA on, so I'll live with it for now. As long as we're not going into combat though, we can both happily run AA on the high settings without issues.

So thanks for the fix, but please help us make EVE as pretty as she can be CCP, good luck to the other ATI/AMD users

Edit: I found that I was crashing again after a while, but disabling HDR as well as AA and keeping the interval at default has stopped the crashing entirely.

Best of luck everyone, I hope this helps some of you.
Baitrix
J Trade Inc.
#116 - 2012-09-09 15:45:19 UTC
Prothnim wrote:
I received a reply to a petition from GM Retrofire that I lodged a couple of days ago suggesting the I try the following;

Reset the 3D settings in the Catalyst Control Panel to default: No change
Change the Preset Interval setting in EVE to default: No change
Lower the Anti Aliasing settings in EVE: Success!

Lowering the AA made no difference, but disabling it did and my wingie (with the exact same hardware) and I have run for 2 days straight now with no crashes... Jaggy edges are ugly and doing my head in, but EVE seems to be stable without AA on, so I'll live with it for now. As long as we're not going into combat though, we can both happily run AA on the high settings without issues.

So thanks for the fix, but please help us make EVE as pretty as she can be CCP, good luck to the other ATI/AMD users


Doesn't work for me unfortunately (AA was already disabled).

Trying now with Interval default...

do you have a newer cpu socket or an older model?
afaik this particular issue only happens with older sockets (i.e. I have an i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ)...
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-09-10 11:40:02 UTC
*lol* ATI drivers suck bigtime.
Always have and it seems they always will.
Baitrix
J Trade Inc.
#118 - 2012-09-10 19:04:23 UTC
Baitrix wrote:
Prothnim wrote:
I received a reply to a petition from GM Retrofire that I lodged a couple of days ago suggesting the I try the following;

Reset the 3D settings in the Catalyst Control Panel to default: No change
Change the Preset Interval setting in EVE to default: No change
Lower the Anti Aliasing settings in EVE: Success!

Lowering the AA made no difference, but disabling it did and my wingie (with the exact same hardware) and I have run for 2 days straight now with no crashes... Jaggy edges are ugly and doing my head in, but EVE seems to be stable without AA on, so I'll live with it for now. As long as we're not going into combat though, we can both happily run AA on the high settings without issues.

So thanks for the fix, but please help us make EVE as pretty as she can be CCP, good luck to the other ATI/AMD users


Doesn't work for me unfortunately (AA was already disabled).

Trying now with Interval default...

do you have a newer cpu socket or an older model?
afaik this particular issue only happens with older sockets (i.e. I have an i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ)...


no success, crashed again after 5 mins of running 3 clients... lowest settings etc....
******* pathetic....
wow is working fine.... i wish it were the other way around...
Grimsha Chieve
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-09-11 05:40:40 UTC
Baitrix wrote:
[quote=Prothnim]
do you have a newer cpu socket or an older model?
afaik this particular issue only happens with older sockets (i.e. I have an i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ)...


i7-3820 @ 3.60GHZ

Its not just old ones.
Prothnim
Primi Ordines
#120 - 2012-09-11 11:20:35 UTC
Baitrix wrote:
Doesn't work for me unfortunately (AA was already disabled).

Trying now with Interval default...

do you have a newer cpu socket or an older model?
afaik this particular issue only happens with older sockets (i.e. I have an i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ)...



I have an intel i7 9390K in a socket 2011 board