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Eve's Death Knell

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-09-02 21:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Abel Merkabah
There is a lot of hate between Highsec carebears and low/null sec players; highsec has the numbers low/null have the more hardcore players (highsec has a higher concentration of casuals not insinuating there are no hardcore players in highsec).

How awesome would it be, if when Eve's servers finally are going to be shut down, the Devs open up all space; all security is null all space SOV. Basically one final war between the former security systems to end it.

Pure chaos and destruction until the servers die and Eve's universe suffers its heat death.

I just see all the hate in the forums and think this would be a great way to settle the score so speak before the end. I personally hope Eve goes on for at least another 11 years; so not saying the end is coming or anything.

Edit: I'm just suggesting that near the end, CCP let's the system go, lets the attempt at balance fail, let's we the players see how far we can take it; with absolutely no interferrence. I think that would be a blast personally. Or as suggested, turn off PvP and watch the Economy go crazy. I think the Death Knell should be some grand experiment.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-09-02 21:51:37 UTC
When I had about 9m sp (have 98m now so this was a while back) there was a problem with concord so concord was taken offline for 5 minutes.

Probably would've been fine had they not sent an announcement to everyone that concord has stepped out for donuts and will be back in 5 minutes.

At night I can still hear the screaming and then silence Cry

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Frying Doom
#3 - 2012-09-02 21:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
So no hate between high-sec care bears and Null bears?

or if they are shutting the servers down they could just save time and switch them off or just to be sadistic turn off the ability to PvP anywhere. EvE-O forums would get a super boost of whine.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#4 - 2012-09-02 21:54:34 UTC
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-09-02 21:56:34 UTC
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


People are different.... difference creates dispute....

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-09-02 21:59:25 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
When I had about 9m sp (have 98m now so this was a while back) there was a problem with concord so concord was taken offline for 5 minutes.

Probably would've been fine had they not sent an announcement to everyone that concord has stepped out for donuts and will be back in 5 minutes.

At night I can still hear the screaming and then silence Cry


Just like this, but give enough time for a proper war to be had; like from the time the game's end is announced until the last day. Think about it, servers are going down anyway, no need to keep players if they want to quit. And the players that stay, well they will have free reign in the galaxy to wage every war they have ever wanted.

To all, maybe hate is a strong word, there is conflict between the two groups. All I'm suggesting is when CCP does decide to pull the plug; they give everyone the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is and actually throw down with no intervention.

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-02 22:05:18 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So no hate between high-sec care bears and Null bears?

or if they are shutting the servers down they could just save time and switch them off or just to be sadistic turn off the ability to PvP anywhere. EvE-O forums would get a super boost of whine.


Actually, I think that would be a hilarious troll on CCP's part. Then with enough time, we can watch the economy implode. Would be fine with that as well.

Good idea!

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-09-02 22:05:55 UTC
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


This, as always, is simply inaccurate PVP zealot propaganda. Lo and 0.0 sec have ALWAYS had better rewards. That the inhabitants of these places have made it so uninhabitable that the risk-to-reward ratio is simply unappealing to anyone other than someone looking for PVP is a problem that those inhabitants themselves need to fix, instead of killing/driving all the prey away to extinction.

You can continue to advocate the nerf of hi sec. All it means that it will take longer to make a profit; unlike lo sec, where the average "carebear" is likely to run in the red.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-09-02 22:07:57 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Opened this expecting yet another "EVE is dying" thread.
Left disappointed.

Also, LOL at the above poster who thinks the supposedly inhospitable environment of nullsec offsets its supposedly grand rewards.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-09-02 22:09:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Abel Merkabah
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Opened this expecting yet another "EVE is dying" thread.
Left disappointed.

Also, LOL at the above poster who thinks the supposedly inhospitable environment of nullsec offsets its supposedly grand rewards.


Lol...sorry...if it makes you feel better, Eve has to die sometime...just not right now...

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Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#11 - 2012-09-02 22:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jax Bederen
Hmm I dont see much if any hate from high sec players to low/null, to them they simply don't exist and do whatever it is they do out there. Though some low/null seem to be obsessed with high sec players.

O btw as far as the OP's idea, what the hell, just let me get some decent resist's on before the big fire.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-09-02 22:17:47 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


This, as always, is simply inaccurate PVP zealot propaganda. Lo and 0.0 sec have ALWAYS had better rewards. That the inhabitants of these places have made it so uninhabitable that the risk-to-reward ratio is simply unappealing to anyone other than someone looking for PVP is a problem that those inhabitants themselves need to fix, instead of killing/driving all the prey away to extinction.

You can continue to advocate the nerf of hi sec. All it means that it will take longer to make a profit; unlike lo sec, where the average "carebear" is likely to run in the red.


I totally agree with this, nerfing one's ability to earn isk in highsec isn't going to force anyone into the jungles that low/nullsec players have built for themselves, because the issue isn't about risk vs reward, it's about the fact that the predatory nature of low/nullsec does not appeal to everyone who plays EVE, nerfing highsec won't change that.
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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-02 22:17:57 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:
Hmm I dont see much if any hate from high sec players to low/null, to them they simply don't exist and do whatever it is they do out there. Though some low/null seem to be obsessed with high sec players.


Alright, I'll give you that, a lot casuals probably don't care about low/null...but they do care about gankers...who do you think the highsec gankers would side with? I'm guessing it's not going to be with the pure carebears...but maybe I'm wrong and they will fight the hordes from low/null...not to say low and null will necessarilly work together, they may fight each other.

The beauty is there are so many smaller groups, and it would be open game on all of them in a way that is restricted in low/high sec right now.

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-09-02 22:19:15 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


This, as always, is simply inaccurate PVP zealot propaganda. Lo and 0.0 sec have ALWAYS had better rewards. That the inhabitants of these places have made it so uninhabitable that the risk-to-reward ratio is simply unappealing to anyone other than someone looking for PVP is a problem that those inhabitants themselves need to fix, instead of killing/driving all the prey away to extinction.

You can continue to advocate the nerf of hi sec. All it means that it will take longer to make a profit; unlike lo sec, where the average "carebear" is likely to run in the red.


I totally agree with this, nerfing one's ability to earn isk in highsec isn't going to force anyone into the jungles that low/nullsec players have built for themselves, because the issue isn't about risk vs reward, it's about the fact that the predatory nature of low/nullsec does not appeal to everyone who plays EVE, nerfing highsec won't change that.


That is true, imo. Carebears just don't want to be prey...

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Dennis Gregs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-09-02 22:22:48 UTC
Posting in a not very well camouflaged "EVE is dying" thread.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#16 - 2012-09-02 22:23:25 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


This, as always, is simply inaccurate PVP zealot propaganda. Lo and 0.0 sec have ALWAYS had better rewards. That the inhabitants of these places have made it so uninhabitable that the risk-to-reward ratio is simply unappealing to anyone other than someone looking for PVP is a problem that those inhabitants themselves need to fix, instead of killing/driving all the prey away to extinction.

You can continue to advocate the nerf of hi sec. All it means that it will take longer to make a profit; unlike lo sec, where the average "carebear" is likely to run in the red.


Sorry, don't buy it. It's the ratio of risk:reward that matters, not the fact that nullsec has slightly better ore or whatever. I also disagree with your premise that highsec is filled with people who refuse to take risks under any circumstances. The fact that nullsec folk have alts in highsec debunks this idea.

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-09-02 22:25:50 UTC
James 315 wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


This, as always, is simply inaccurate PVP zealot propaganda. Lo and 0.0 sec have ALWAYS had better rewards. That the inhabitants of these places have made it so uninhabitable that the risk-to-reward ratio is simply unappealing to anyone other than someone looking for PVP is a problem that those inhabitants themselves need to fix, instead of killing/driving all the prey away to extinction.

You can continue to advocate the nerf of hi sec. All it means that it will take longer to make a profit; unlike lo sec, where the average "carebear" is likely to run in the red.


Sorry, don't buy it. It's the ratio of risk:reward that matters, not the fact that nullsec has slightly better ore or whatever. I also disagree with your premise that highsec is filled with people who refuse to take risks under any circumstances. The fact that nullsec folk have alts in highsec debunks this idea.


Null has more risk and much higher rewards. High sec is fine the way it is, low sec needs some changes.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-09-02 22:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Civire
Love those threats please let me grap some popcorn first Lol
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#19 - 2012-09-02 22:26:51 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Jax Bederen wrote:
Hmm I dont see much if any hate from high sec players to low/null, to them they simply don't exist and do whatever it is they do out there. Though some low/null seem to be obsessed with high sec players.


Alright, I'll give you that, a lot casuals probably don't care about low/null...but they do care about gankers...who do you think the highsec gankers would side with? I'm guessing it's not going to be with the pure carebears...but maybe I'm wrong and they will fight the hordes from low/null...not to say low and null will necessarilly work together, they may fight each other.

The beauty is there are so many smaller groups, and it would be open game on all of them in a way that is restricted in low/high sec right now.


The high sec gankers are often from low sec I think, at least those with some standing left. But You and I know that this is a crazy idea, seriously high sec would dock up(me included :)), but would love to see that if the servers were going down, in fact I bet they will do this before they go down, end of the world is the end of the world.

Now if they could do a server reset after this event they could pull this off. I would actually like to see one day of the world eating itself and no one worried about consequences.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-09-02 22:30:19 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Jax Bederen wrote:
Hmm I dont see much if any hate from high sec players to low/null, to them they simply don't exist and do whatever it is they do out there. Though some low/null seem to be obsessed with high sec players.


Alright, I'll give you that, a lot casuals probably don't care about low/null...but they do care about gankers...who do you think the highsec gankers would side with? I'm guessing it's not going to be with the pure carebears...but maybe I'm wrong and they will fight the hordes from low/null...not to say low and null will necessarilly work together, they may fight each other.

The beauty is there are so many smaller groups, and it would be open game on all of them in a way that is restricted in low/high sec right now.


The high sec gankers are often from low sec I think, at least those with some standing left. But You and I know that this is a crazy idea, seriously high sec would dock up(me included :)), but would love to see that if the servers were going down, in fact I bet they will do this before they go down, end of the world is the end of the world.

Now if they could do a server reset after this event they could pull this off. I would actually like to see one day of the world eating itself and no one worried about consequences.




You understand completely.



Like the idea of a server reset! Like if for one weekend, everyone knew that everything would be reverted back to the friday before it started, anything goes. See what happens then.

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