Science & Industry

infact, the discussion ended month ago but somebody necroed it. Congratz you won a T2 BPO, now that we know that, anything u say against them has twice the value



funny you mentioned the T2 BS....There is prolly no market beeing more unstable than these. Before you say anything smart again, try to make a golem and sell it in jita without making a loss.... so bad.



You want to produce from a T2 BPO? buy one on forums and do so <---- whats wrong with that?



Oh unique Items are bad and stand (apparently) against anything eve stands for, you say? why is CCP giving new, absolute unique items out every year at the tournies, then?

lol, so your saying that Marauders market is just fine, but recommend to invent something else because its not profitable?
BTW other T2 Ships (Hulk, Huginn, Scimitar etc.) with BPO`s are still profitable even when selling in Jita...im not making anything of these things anyway, but thanks for the advice


1. wrong again...T2 BPO`s can and are getting purchased via public contracts.
2. titans and supers cant be purchased via market/contracts either...so?




what now, the asset has to be profitable to apply to this?

Welcome to EvE. Adapt or die.


Yeah that's why I would love to be able to produce one of these from BPO. No risk, little effort income.



I think you're completely missing my point. I have no problem with trading stuff on market, forum, contracts, Chribba, etc.

My point is that with any item in the game I can work towards building or otherwise obtaining it without relying on getting it from someone who already has it (by hunting for the right officer spawn, by buying a BPO, by starting a factory job or putting up a POS, etc). For instance I can mine or make an alt and train him to help me mine. But I can never create a T2 BPO or create an alt to train him to make one.



Comparing unique ships from AT, with T2 BPOs is apples and oranges. If I want a unique ship AT reward I can choose to compete in the next Alliance Tournament and have the same chance to get one as anyone else. I don't have to rely on getting it from someone who already has one.

Just have to look back a couple pages to find the links to T2 BPO auctions. Including a Scimitar BPO, which sold for 525 Billion ISK. Assuming that you discount the cost of material inputs entirely, you make roughly 7.7 (call it 10) billion ISK per month, so you'd break even after 52 months, or 4 and a half years. Since moon goo you mine is not, in fact, free, your actual profit per month is something like 4 Billion ISK per month so you need to wait ~130 months to break even (that's almost 11 years, for those keeping score).

Now, you might say "well you got it free" or somesuch. Well, in that case, the smart thing to do is to sell the dang thing immediately because you can do much better things with 525 Billion ISK than sink it into something that, with a fair amount of effort to run efficiently, can earn you 4 Billion ISK a month.

And given the number of T2 BPOs that it is unprofitable to manufacture, and the possibility that, sometime in the next 11 years, CCP might do something to further change the balance between BPOs and Invention, owning a T2 BPO is a pretty risky venture. And again, it's a fair bit of effort if you actually want to make money off of it.



If you are a collector, and want them for their rarity, then making new ones available hurts their rarity.
If you are a producer, then you're goal isn't "use a T2 BPO," your goal is "Produce a T2 Item profitably." Invention works just fine for you.

Oh, and Faction Towers, previous AT prizes, special event prizes. The list goes on of items previously, but not currently able to be brought into existence.

IT has been reomved from the game... I think it were only 5ish BPO wich were kinda bad anyways (except the Sabre BPO ofc)
but all of it has been removed fro mthe game and 5-6 years later we could rly stop bring that **** up

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End T2BPO it was unfair then it's unfair now and detrimental to the game.

And you think CCP pets will be happy sharing their private monthly source of CCP welfare?

Oh look. He's back.

And still with no new arguments to patch the holes that've been ripped out of his original ones.

I'm not sure what you're saying, but seeding new T2 BPOs will simply kill the market for invention, as described in detail earlier in the thread.

The idea to seed them in LS is novel on its face, but all you need to do is JF in, buy the BPO, then jump to a exit system where your Orca is ready. No fighting (except for the guys sitting on the undock to blap cyno ships) involved. So it's really no more risky than any LS logistics. Which means the proposal is the same as Brewlar's "T2 BPOs are unfair because they're expensive, so CCP should give me one seed them."

Funny because I pay for 3 plex + profit doing invention. Too bad you can't figure it out. Maybe all the tears in your eyes are giving you problems seeing?