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I really don't see what you have done this time around at CSM that CCP wasn't doing anyhow.

It seems that the debacle of CSM 6 got CCP back on the interation path anyhow, so I guess your running for it and promising the world was a great plan, right up until they iterated on things that didn't meet with what you promised.

This isn't about WHAT I PERSONALLY want, it's about WHAT YOU PERSONALLY said you would make happen.

Personally, I don't see any of it. I see new exhumers, and a bunch of iterations that CSM 6 had already pushed CCP down the path of.

Without doing what you say you're going to do, you're basically the mouthpiece of a development team already working in the correct general direction.

I see little or no push for anything spoken about during the campaign week, with perhaps the exception of the treaty system.

I understand it's hard to give a coherent reply on this - what with your mouth full and all.

Here's a cut and paste from your blog from the period:


Perhaps it's my madness, but I don't see any of this in the minutes.

You tell me, how much of this agenda did you get CCP to do for the next expansion ?

What is an accomplishment ?

Have you SEEN the spodumain rocks ?

They are gigantic - well beyond ANY other rock in the game.
A single miner can sit on one for the 3 days and not mine it out - easily.
While every other rock in the grav site is long dead.

Looks more like something out of the why we cloak thread. You could hide a titan behind that

Yeah with the low price for spodumain, I see your point it would be an easy and probably a good fix. I suppose not enough people mine in low sec so not much attention gets brought to it. (Plus probably evil to your eyes, the bang for buck thing I read ccp dev teams work with, might make it harder to get fixed, but would make more sense.)

I actually feel dumb really to tell ya the truth, With ore prices the way they are it doesn't really matter. I really need to change that perspective of lower and null roids more valuable. Seems any ideas with mining is ********. Just mine in hi-sec. Trade for null sec minerals.

Yeah this is what's basically been happening a lot... but the prices have been shaken up with the drone regions no longer giving minerals... So the empire ores are great right now again, I'm not entirely sure why, perhaps because the nullsec ores were already stockpiled?... I'm hoping the prices will shift back to "normal", but that still doesn't fix the soul crushing mining in 0.0 right now for renters and small corps.

These guys (Seleene, Two Step, Hans, etc) promised to fix it and haven't <- this is now the real issue in my eyes.

Instead the CSM minutes are basically just "news about what CCP are going to release next" and that's not the role of CSM as far as I know.

Yeah hopefully they shift, or something new gets introduced, otherwise its worthless trying to improve mining there.

One of my theories is that there is so much T1 ship use, why hi-sec roids are worth so much. Wish I had better numbers, and too lazy to look at most ships used stats for pvp. But also all capitals are T1 and well as supers. Just so much focus on minerals from hi sec to meet that demand.

Suppose CCP could change the hi-sec mineral need on blueprints to help bring prices in line. Or just add more trit and stuff to roids in hi sec. But who knows.

How much time would ya give them Rev, for them to figure out the price on roids? Also CCP propably has better stats on hi sec mineral usage and why the prices are the way they are.

Can ya ask them for us Seleene about the prices for roids, and CCP opinion of them or how they are that way?

Rev, saying I want something is one thing. Saying that I will push for it is fine. But you seem to be very confused about what a CSM member can MAKE happen. I said that I would push for it and I have. So have other CSM members. Cripes, even Elise wants some of this stuff for his own reasons. You are upset that something you and I both want won't be in the winter expansion. Fine. But that doesn't mean it's not being discussed or pushed for, and stop ignoring the potential for what is coming in the POS re-vamp along with ring-mining (which I'll talk about in a minute). Lastly, stop rambling on because you think the CSM has superpowers beyond being an advocacy group and community liaisons. When I can talk more about the increased "powers" we have a stakeholders I will, but you ARE confused about the role of the CSM, and I'm trying to explain that to you (along with how our communications work) but you seem too determined to be mad to listen. Believe what you will, it won't change my stance or desires (which are very similar to your own). v0v



1.) Even if I knew every detail about "ring mining" there is no way I could possibly talk about it at this stage of development.

2.) We've honestly not been told much. In terms of how it will actually work, no clue. We will have the options mine in rings!

Now, with that out of the way, there are a lot of ideas that have been discussed which, based on what we HAVE talked about with CCP that I would expect to see. Things like rocks with variable ore content, 'striking it rich' by finding moon goo, etc... This goes back to what I was saying earlier which is that when we've talked about this with CCP, the impression the CSM has is that "ring mining" is likely going to be more of a "mining" feature which will address many of the issues that frustrate players.



Until we know what the mechanics of the 'new' system will be, or what the benefits of the new POS system will be, there is really no way to answer that.

Which leaves the CSM as a mouthpiece for the marketing department.

"Hell I remember CSM 3 and 4 and all you'd hear back from that is bickering and infighting, now we're the mouthpiece of the marketing department, that's progress."

I don't see the point in candidates standing to make ANY particular changes in that case - I see little use for the CSM - a point of view of many people out there already.

If you cannot push CCP in a direction because that direction requires immediate attention despite what their plans for the next 2 years - and let's face it - that's what you're telling us about - 2 years in the future for some of this stuff, then I don't see the point of the CSM at all.

Instead we got barge and exhumer "fixes" which only pandered to the peanut gallery and people who think printing more money will fix their economies.

Edit: Just check it out http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/csm-7-spring-summit-review-part-i.html 6-7 pics of the marketing guy, 1 or none each other ccp employee, marketing was a big facet of the talks I'm guessing ? Or at least being handled by him.

How can you possibly stand there and tell us what a great success this CSM has been when you haven't ticked ONE THING off the list on your BLOG that you said you'd do for mining - one the main platforms you ran on?

(Don't get me wrong, Hans and Two Step also said they'd help change this stuff - this is why it's absurd that it hasn't been fixed, when so many CSMs said they would make it start to happen).

You can sit and try and justify this all you like, but I don't see that happening. Going by the CSM minutes, and your own admissions since, you didn't even try.

This fact Just in: EvE-O forums are in fact powered by whine.

I have seen more whining from people this year in GD about everything imaginable than I saw during the Incarna disaster. The players are getting better at complaining about everything.

Edit: I would love to see some of the DEV memos about the players, we must **** them off a lot, they get a good idea so half the players whine. The change their decision so the other half whine.