EVE New Citizens Q&A

It's a workaround that will lead to a proliferation of extra BMs, sort of like the old days where they were BMing gate WTZ. It drives up the annoyance factor.
Warp -> Dock has been reliable before Inferno. The change is noticeable. I guess CCP needs a mountain of petitions before they decide to act.

In the meanwwhile, there is no doubt that this effect will be metagamed by players for serious lols

so what your saying is that it is inconsistent.

thx. unsubbed. nothing personal just tired of the inconsistency and gms being lazy and saying "working as intended" when something is an OBVIOUS bug. like boomerang ganking... "working as intended" 2+ yrs then suddenly "Oops it's a bug after all sorry about that..."

anyway adios. o/

The target is invulnerable message should only apply to a target that is undocking or has just jumped to a new system and it lasts for 30 seconds assuming that the target has not done something to remove this protection before the 30 seconds are up.

For someone warping in to dock to a station they should not be invulnerable and you can target them. However you have issues with this based upon luck and target lock speed. Every ship has a scanner strength and every target has a scanner size both of those effect the time to lock the target. Then you can get a lot of modules that effect target lock speed as well. The luck part is how far out the target is from the station when it exits warp. Which can be 0-1500 meters. It is random. Your ship has to be within 250 meters to dock. If it is beyond that then it will accelerate toward the station to close the distance and dock as soon as it reaches that 250 meter range. The time the ship takes to cover that distance is when you can target lock the arriving ship. If you are fast enough and in range and can do enough damage to kill the target before it docks.

But if you attack an illegal target in high sec then you will get concorded for doing this. Can not avoid it.
In low sec the station guns will open fire on you and you can not dock with that station because of the aggression timer.

Well yes, it keeps the riff-raff out

Docking range, like stargate/WH jump range or anything, is raw from boundary to boundary.
The range you get when selecting something in space, doesn't indicate the range from ship absolute center to object absolute center, but from bounding box edge, to bounding box edge.
When you scan down a wh and warp to it, you will nearly never warp to it at 0, but land a few KM off, often within jump range, but not always, that's why we always save the bookmark of the WH when we're on grid with it and save from the overview, otherwise it's too much of a gamble to warp a hauler.
I've been sitting at 2587m from a gate despite warping my pod to 0 a few times while travelling to fetch a new ship, so it happens on gates too.
If you fly a battleship and warp to a station, you may land a few meters outside docking range and your ship will slowboat into range. Say your ship is blown up during that slow boating, considering your ship's length in regard of the pod's size and thus bounding box dimension, you end up way further from the docking range than you were with the battleship.
Add session timers on top of it and the 1sec ticks of the servers to keep as much people happy as possible, and you end up with some inconsistencies, you can't expect anything to work the exact same way 100% of the time but if it's driving you off, I wait to see what other online game can meet your expectations.

Yeah but lately, the docking button seems to not work most of the time, much like the jump button. End up warping to a gate and just sitting there or warping to station just to sit there. Sometimes you can spam the crap out of the dock button and it will still take anywhere from 5 to 30 seconds even when your 0m away from the station lol.
Only been happening since a few patches ago, I am sure it will get fixed eventually but it's still a bit of an annoyance.

If you bookmark a wormhole from your scanner it will warp you to some random distance from 0 out to about 5KM or so. If you warp to the wormhole and bookmark the wormhole directly that BM is a warp to zero BM.

As far as the docking thing you need to understand CCP and Eve are very pro-carnage and destruction. They like tears I'm pretty sure the Devs are paid in noob tears. Either that or their pay is determined by the amount of noob tears.

With that in mind I have noticed that docking in null sec and low sec is different from docking in high sec. As far as I know it's not stated anywhere officially but I think that CCP has a random delay put into docking in null sec and my guess is that it's intentional and it's to cause situations like how you lost your ship. For that reason warping to the station and docking when hostiles show up is a bad plan. Learn how to make and use safe spots. Read up on session change timers and log off timers.

This is not the only situation where CCP does things that I feel intentionally victimize noobs. One example that I can think of off the top of my head is thalt if you warp to a low or null sec gate from high sec and hit jump by default you have a confirmation pop up that you have to click before you jump. This confirmation can be removed but by default it's there and stays that way unless you change the setting. On the other hand if you set route that goes through or into low/null sec and hit autopilot then the autopilot will jump you into low/ null with no such confirmation. That in my opinion is an inconsistency meant to cause noob tears.

It does get better as you learn the game but early on this game can be tough as you fall off the learning cliff that someone made popular by a graph. Google "Eve learning curve" and you should find it. Seriously 2 years into this game and I still felt like a noob. If you like learning this is the game for you. If you like simple and predictable then it's not.

I do, I gave mine to Leeloo.

I lost a Tengu to this over the weekend. I warped to the station and I got the message saying that “docking permission granted”, the ship paused for a second and then I got blown up. It’s very friggen, but it does happen. I guess even suicide gankers need some entertainment. What amazes me is that a Tornado can do over 10k damage in a single volley to a ship with hardeners turned on.