EVE General Discussion

Well, you could say that ninja salvaging looting was nerfed, but it also nerfed high sec income. Both activities that came from it mission running for loot/salvage and ninja salvaging/looting, happened in high security more so than elsewhere, so I think it is more appropriate to call it high sec nerf, which is inline with one of your ideals.

I know many disagree, but I think high sec ganking should have only ever been for revenge, a strategic campaign, or for high value targets. Ganking noobs in high sec to pad kill mails is also something that should not be supported, and in fact highly discouraged, as it is now with the protected systems.

How was highsec income nerfed now? I don't see anywhere that lp, mission loot/salvage, or highsec bounties were reduced. If anyhing they get an income boost and risk reduction. Also you are forgetting to take into account people flying poorly fitted ships into that suicide ganking idea. That's basically the reason miners were so gankable they refused to fit a tank.

ah nvm, James 315

Do you really want a game that rewards sitting in safety?

Personally, part of my initial attraction to EVE was the 'anything can happen' atmosphere. I could get suicide-ganked in high-sec, but IRL I might also step off the curb and get flattened by a speeding bus.

It' that uncertainty that adds depth to EVE -- we're never ever totally safe. Not in EVE and not in our own homes. It's in learning to choose how much we'll risk that keeps things interesting.

Do you eve realise you have no bubbles in low sec?
Do you even realise gates and stations have gun, weak of course but it's a little support.

Can you even think I can go there and do whatever I'm pleased to the moment I know what I'm doing and you will probably never be able to catch me because low sec, when you know how to, the chances you get caught by something are very thin.
High sec players issue is that you guys don't even give them a chance to learn they're already pop and podded before they realise whatever.

Now tell us all how you do to not make tons of isk when:

-All you need is a speed tanked frig and an alt to literally make billions of isk with FW playing a couple hours a day
-A little bit of scanning and if you can't make at least 2 billions a day you're doing it wrong, it takes 2/3 hours max

Then explain me how much time as a single player it takes you to make 1 billion running lvl4's, same billion mining, same billion doing other stuff.

The fact you're better being in some organised local corp/alliance is one thing, the fact trillions of isk are there to be made but little to no one doing it is another thing.
The problem is not the amounts of rewards there to be made, it's a myth telling low sec rewards are bad and I'm sure CCP can prove you're wrong just by providing some numbers.

Edit: just to add before I live in null I was a low sec resident, had my hard lessons taken and also rewards, all I've learned over there was with old -10 dudes but didn't made me invulnerable or omniscient in low just learned me some basics and how to have fun over there killing stuff but also how to make easy isk because there's almost no one to bother you.

Now if you still think you can do 10000% more isk in high sec than low I will still tell you that you're doing it wrong and that's a fact. You choose to do stuff in high sec because you don't want to take any risk in low doing it, that simple.
The only way for you to do better isk in high is by banking haulers/freighters/pimp mission boats and only because Concord makes it safe enough for you to do it.

You are probably right, after all the nerfs, buffs and changes done over the years CCP probably just decided that given the state Null is in now it's not worth having new players in Null. That and the current players have left the place in such a state.

So we're settling on the T1 catalyst standard for ganking profitability? Or maybe the T2 catalyst standard?

So it's like ... 30 T2Cs worth for a mack and 70T2cs for an Orca, I guess? Or 90T1Cs for the mack....