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Another reason why new players quit the game...

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Ukrane Bob
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-09-01 19:08:32 UTC
Sounds like someone didn't do the tutorials.. or at least read through them as they did them. No matter what you end up flying you have to train for it. I don't mean just the pre req's for the skill either.

If your looking for instant gratification from EVE then your looking in the wrong place. It takes time and patience to learn the ropes of the game. Some folks like that. Some folks don't. If you're one of those that don't then perhaps your time would have been better spent trying to look elsewhere for another game instead of crying on the forums to CCP about your lack of "fun".

[b]I like to piss people off.. Get Over it.. Adapt .. Survive![/b]

Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-09-01 19:13:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ila Dace
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Has it never occurred to him that this is a multiplayer game and he probably could have gotten some help by asking in local?


While it will eventually becomes easy to solo these missions, Verity hit the nail on the head. Ask someone in local chat to help you out with that last rat, or better, ask someone in local to do missions with you. That kind of interaction is how you find your way into player corporations, which in general is a good thing.

One further note, unlike other games like WoW, you don't level up by doing missions. While you will gain standings, you will not necessarily be ready for the tougher missions if you go it alone. Do missions in groups, use voice chat, you'll breeze through a bunch that way.

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Selinate
#63 - 2012-09-01 19:14:10 UTC
First mistake: You did a mission.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-09-01 19:17:34 UTC
What a nob

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Togg Bott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-09-01 19:20:39 UTC
1) EvE is a MMO, ask and you'll find a shitload of prople willing to help you

2) people in this thread are giving you sound advice, read it and try to apply it

3) join a corp with a ready supply of people to help you

4) ?????????

5) Profit

6) otherwise http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#66 - 2012-09-01 19:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Korgan Nailo
Draze,

First of all, welcome to EvE, not in a sarcastic way, just simply welcome to the game.

What you're experiencing is the oh so known "brick wall" learning curve of EvE. There is just SOOOOO much to know before you actually do ANYTHING properly, and then there is also the training.

Coming into to the game without a "mentor" or someone who will give you the first steps is hard, very hard.

Most of the new players tend to think that a bigger hull (going to a cruiser in your case), or a bigger gun is better, and that is not always the case. Just one of the many ideas we don't get right at first.

After being an EvE player for more than a year, I think the best advice I can give you is: join EvE University.

http://www.eveuniversity.org

First and foremost, you'll be part of one of the most warm and welcoming corps and actually I'll go a step further and call that a "community" that will help you learn the game, help with ISK costs for skill books, introduce you to PvP with ISK support and so much more.

Then, in EvE University, you'll find classes, pages and pages of information about pretty much any topic. You don't need to be a member of EvE University to attend the classes, or to download the video and audio files available from their classes:

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Eve_University_Class_Library

If I may, I would suggest you to start listening to this class:
EvE Careers 101: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Careers_101 . Check the Class Library for an audio file you can listen to.

I could dwell into a lot of topics, why you most likely did a bad fit, didn't know about the impact of damage types against this or that kind of NPC, optimal, fall off, tracking, tanking, repairers, capacitor, why you should never ever ever used a plate (1600mm) for missioning, and so on.

But contrary to that, I would kindly ask you to step through that EvE University door, and give it a try. You might find that the game is not so hard as you think, and that maybe, just maybe, you may like it a LOT a few weeks from now.

EvE is not a game for the first month, it is a game for the next years to come. =)

Cheers, and GL.

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-09-01 19:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Korgan Nailo wrote:
I would kindly ask you to step through that EvE University door, and give it a try. You might find that the game is not so hard as you think, and that maybe, just maybe, you may like it a LOT a few weeks from now.


A buddy of mine attempted to join EVE University and after his interview was apparently rejected with no reason given, so you might wanna be prepared for that I guess.
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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2012-09-01 19:57:55 UTC
I am guessing the guy ran off to join the others in Goldshire.

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Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-09-01 20:03:06 UTC
Fit a MWD?
Solhild
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-09-01 20:26:01 UTC
Korgan Nailo wrote:
Draze,

First of all, welcome to EvE, not in a sarcastic way, just simply welcome to the game.

What you're experiencing is the oh so known "brick wall" learning curve of EvE. There is just SOOOOO much to know before you actually do ANYTHING properly, and then there is also the training.

Coming into to the game without a "mentor" or someone who will give you the first steps is hard, very hard.

Most of the new players tend to think that a bigger hull (going to a cruiser in your case), or a bigger gun is better, and that is not always the case. Just one of the many ideas we don't get right at first.

After being an EvE player for more than a year, I think the best advice I can give you is: join EvE University.

http://www.eveuniversity.org

First and foremost, you'll be part of one of the most warm and welcoming corps and actually I'll go a step further and call that a "community" that will help you learn the game, help with ISK costs for skill books, introduce you to PvP with ISK support and so much more.

Then, in EvE University, you'll find classes, pages and pages of information about pretty much any topic. You don't need to be a member of EvE University to attend the classes, or to download the video and audio files available from their classes:

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Eve_University_Class_Library

If I may, I would suggest you to start listening to this class:
EvE Careers 101: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Careers_101 . Check the Class Library for an audio file you can listen to.

I could dwell into a lot of topics, why you most likely did a bad fit, didn't know about the impact of damage types against this or that kind of NPC, optimal, fall off, tracking, tanking, repairers, capacitor, why you should never ever ever used a plate (1600mm) for missioning, and so on.

But contrary to that, I would kindly ask you to step through that EvE University door, and give it a try. You might find that the game is not so hard as you think, and that maybe, just maybe, you may like it a LOT a few weeks from now.

EvE is not a game for the first month, it is a game for the next years to come. =)

Cheers, and GL.


The decency and maturity of this post has shocked me Shocked
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-09-01 20:36:15 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:

It matched speed away from me keeping me at 40km, and my drones could only go to 30km. Two choices, train and wait, or quit and do other missions.


and then there's option 3, get a boat that can shoot that far.

The LULZ Boat.

Doddy
Excidium.
#72 - 2012-09-01 20:42:43 UTC
Erm your story makes eve pve sound quite good and varied (which its not once you learn the basics). Do you want all the rats to just sit and die or something? In any case level 2 missions are designed for frigs and destroyers which are generally faster than the rats and have no problem keeping them in range.

Still you can learn some things from what you have done, which is the whole point really.

First being able to keep an enemy within your range is the most important thing in eve.
Second you can in fact change ships whenever you like, there was nothing stopping you jumping in a frig to kill that kiting moa was there?
Third weapon to target size is the second most important thing in eve (after the range thing you already learned). Small weapons find it easiest to hit small ships and so on.
Fourthly adding more armour is kinda pointless in mission, you want to repair faster instead. If you can't repair as much as you are losing you will eventually die unless you kill all the rats first.

So basically these missions taught you several of eves key elements in a short amount of time, great.

The problem here is that you are taught all of these elements except for the fourth (which is just logic) in the tutorial missions on day 1, so clearly you weren't paying attention or you just didn't do them.
Doddy
Excidium.
#73 - 2012-09-01 20:43:38 UTC
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Draze Vetlok wrote:

It matched speed away from me keeping me at 40km, and my drones could only go to 30km. Two choices, train and wait, or quit and do other missions.


and then there's option 3, get a boat that can shoot that far.

Or is faster than the rat.
Josef Djugashvilis
#74 - 2012-09-01 21:45:06 UTC
My old corp used to get folk to go Agony Unleashed for pvp lessons.

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#75 - 2012-09-01 21:50:04 UTC
do em with friends m8. don't solo through the game, that's boring. most of the content is "Player" driven ;)
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-09-01 22:43:44 UTC
i agree on the commends before me eve is a patience game so if you play like every day 10 hours like you do in wow well then you will indeed found the lack of skills very fast. I think you right in the other hand but not for the main problem. The lack of sp point or skills that you need to "progress" your way to higher npc agents is for to take some time to do other stuff there is more than farming npc agents all the time. Just ask here and there in local corps or forum to join up and do more than farming Lol good luck cadet
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#77 - 2012-09-01 22:49:07 UTC
Did anyone else notice he fit a Quad Laser and a Beam laser? Sadly, as cool as the Quad laser is, it really does appear to be useless, and certainly, you shouldn't be pairing it with a Beam laser on anything.

Actually, putting lasers on an Arbi is sort of weird to begin with. Drones, Neuts, ABs, MWDs, New Drone fittings might be cool, (haven't looked at these yet), and ASB. Lol ..little joke there. Should be fit for a reasonable armor or shield tank though, depending on what you want to give up.
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Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-09-01 23:10:47 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...

The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...


Shoot, bring friends! Missions are more fun, in my very biased opinion, with friends and corpmates.

And...

Quote:
I hope you stick it out & tread water because in 2-4 months you'll be swimming laps


What Darth here said is so very true. I'm at the 5 month mark in Eve and hitting my stride. In fact, I do believe I need to log in tonight as I finish mining drones 5 (FINALLY!). I chose the indy path and trained to get my Hulk (and then the barge changes came, but that's another story). That's not to say that I can't fly combat ships. Here and there I trained ancillary skills. I can fly battlecruisers and Amarr T2 industrials, have some gunnery and missile skills. Oh and quite a bit of time into drone skills as well.

Stick with it, it'll get better. And whoever suggested using afterburners was right on the mark.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-09-01 23:15:03 UTC
You complain that the lvl 2 are to hard, someone reccomends you do lvl 1's untill you have better skills. You say they are to easy and you want a challenge.

You're complaining about lvl 2's effectively being to challenging for what you're trying to do, but you don't want to do lvl 1's because they're to easy and you want a challenge.

Other's give you advice, reccomending you use something that you didn't even say you were using in the OP, you give a **** responce about the community when someone gives you a really polite bit of adviced entirely based on what you stated in your OP.

You continue on being a ****, ignoring everything anyone has to say, and instead focussing on complaining that it's the game.


At this point I think it's only fair to tell you to **** off.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-09-01 23:19:59 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...

The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...


Shoot, bring friends! Missions are more fun, in my very biased opinion, with friends and corpmates.

And...

Quote:
I hope you stick it out & tread water because in 2-4 months you'll be swimming laps


What Darth here said is so very true. I'm at the 5 month mark in Eve and hitting my stride. In fact, I do believe I need to log in tonight as I finish mining drones 5 (FINALLY!). I chose the indy path and trained to get my Hulk (and then the barge changes came, but that's another story). That's not to say that I can't fly combat ships. Here and there I trained ancillary skills. I can fly battlecruisers and Amarr T2 industrials, have some gunnery and missile skills. Oh and quite a bit of time into drone skills as well.

Stick with it, it'll get better. And whoever suggested using afterburners was right on the mark.


I'd suggest a slightly different approach. Decide what you want to do and focus your training in that as a new player. After you get comfortable with one task and have the necessary skills trained for it, then branch it somethIng else...

That is my opinion though, but I feel it is better to a master of one then a jack of all.

James315 for CSM 8!