EVE General Discussion

Well this debate was fun, pointless, but fun.

TL;DR i don't agree lets keep learning implants

what utter rubbish

" When learning skills existed, learning implants allowed players to increase those attributes in order to train skills faster. "
they still do.

to do with learning skills
"The elimination of that skill group was long overdue - eliminating learning implants should be the logical next step."
why? they still do the job of the above quote well

"While many players would oppose such a change because they want every bit of superficial complexity in the game"
no not because it adds complexity (it's simple really an implant speeds up training and nothing more)

"it only makes sense that they should be eliminated and replaced by more combat hardwirings."
i'll answer that with this quote
"While many players would oppose such a change because they want every bit of superficial complexity in the game - perhaps due to some need for meaning which demands they pat themselves on the back for playing a spreadsheet game they deem "complex""

"Some players may have a jump clone with +5 learning implants in an NPC station where skillbooks are sold through NPC sell orders. However, jump clones are largely inaccessible to players who do not have the faction standings required for them, are not in a corporation with the necessary standings, or lack an office in a conquerable station. While it is possible to join corporations that exist for the express purpose of giving players access to jump clones, such a task is largely onerous solely for the sake of keeping an implanted clone “safe.”"
this whole paragraph is wrong they are (not largly i mean totally and utterly) inaccessible to players without any of the things you listed and it is resolved by getting one of those things you listed i'm missing why this is a bad thing surly the logical step then would be to reduce the requierments for being able to get a jump clone?

"Newbies are generally encouraged to buy sets of +3 implants to speed up their skill training. Without a support network of older players,"
if it's not this support network of older players that encourage them then who is it? personally i've only ever heard people tell newbies "only fly what you can afford to lose"

"This “expensive” set of implants contributes to a risk-averse attitude where the new player is afraid of ever leaving the supposed safety of highsec and finds himself leaving the game when this presumption of safety turns out to be untrue."
not a single person in eve thinks high sec is safe such events as hulkageddon make sure everyone knows it isn't safe in high sec

"While losses should matter, learning implants are only a superficial loss that ultimately contribute nothing to gameplay."
agreed but by the same token i think you should eliminate all attributes too because lets face it they add nothing to the game play...

"Empire players tend to have a huge advantage in this regard - they can do virtually everything with a full +5s and hardwirings since pods can warp out almost instantly in the event that they lose a ship, "
i know lots of people who don't have +5's in their head in case they lose their pod

"Players in nullsec generally find themselves with implants that speed up the skills they may be training at that time and inexpensive hardwirings, simply because losing a pod is nearly inevitable after losing a ship when bubbled."
isn't there some risk/reward thing about 0.0? also with one of the above arguments for turning them into combat hardwirings nothing would acctually change other than you'd have to have even more implants in to make your ship better and thus be able to compete with the next guy who has all the cool kids implants

p.s. i got bored and decided to stick my ore in but thought it best to cover all the points raised in the thread and related article

+1 for removing Crystals, Slaves, Snakes, etc. because nullsec pilots lose them, or something.

Do they provide any benefits while docked up?

Why, no, no they do not.

Why, yes, yes they do.

+2 stat modifier for LG, +3 for HG.

Well, what do you know, I'd forgotten they did.

What I guess I should've said is, "are they bought primarily for use in combat", unless of course someone's going to make the play that people buy them for the +2/+3 boost (at higher prices than +5s would cost), and not squarely because they give the user an edge in combat.

Remove roleplayers, Incarna and Concord.

ITT: suggesting that CCP enable people to eject learning implants is PVPers wanting PVE nerfed.

The more you know.

This would've been relevant if you hadn't responded directly to my post.

Let's just stop your post right there.