EVE General Discussion

But then we get back to the other point. Fair enough if you dont mind risking your +5s then fair play. But then why are players in hisec exempt from nearly all risk of losing those +5s but still get all of the reward. It just doesn't scale right in my opinion. There's no upside than what you'd already get if you didnt want to yourself at risk in the first place.

I'm not saying nullsec should be as safe as hisec (oh god no) but what I'm saying is that average joe nullsec risks losing his +5s and gets the same rewards from them as the guy who doesn't risk losing them to anywhere near the same degree in hisec

You get the benefit of +5 implants whether you risk them flying in a nullsec fleet, or using them while you carebear in highsec or stay docked in pretty much absolute security.

People only get podded in highsec if they're morons or incredibly unlucky to have a lag spike just at the moment their ship gets blown up. The former is of course quite common, the latter not so much.

Of course the risk is higher in nullsec, the point is that the reward is the same.

The simplest way to deal with this would either be to allow unplugging learning implants without destroying them, or allowing clone jumps within the same station with no timer (as I suggested earlier in the thread). I don't really agree with the idea of removing them altogether.

So tell me how learning implants are literally the only implants that exist in the game.

A pod full of +5s is hardly a big loss compared to all those dudes who lose pods with HG faction sets and +6/7/8% hardwirings. People fly with those things in nullsec, believe it or not.

The only things that REALLY makes nullsec that much more of a danger to pods than empire are:

1.) Smartbombs/large fleet fights. These aren't going away.
2.) Bubbles.

Why are you arguing for a removal of learning implants rather than a small change to bubble mechanics?

The LEARNING IMPLANT reward is the same. The overall rewards for the two different types of space are wildly different, thus the added risk that bubbles bring.

Because changing bubble mechanics actually DOES reduce the risk of losing implants. Losing expensive-ass high-grade faction sets and whatnot is good for the game. Learning implants simply don't make sense because there is no incentive to risk them as there is with pirate sets and hardwirings which, for the most part, do nothing unless you're actually flying with them.

Because they reship faster, get on a titan and get bridged back in to shoot you?

Valid point. I guess my argument is that players SHOULD have to put in some effort to catch pods (e.g. bring instalock ceptors, etc.), but if we want to keep destruction equal, then sure (and changing bubbles in this way would bring about a significant decrease in risk).


This, unless they're an FC.

Bottom line is it would still make more sense to me to change bubbles (e.g. pods can warp within two seconds or something before their warp drive gets messed up) than to remove learning implants entirely, although I guess I would now say that neither makes a ton of sense.

Reducing the clone jump timer for clone jumping in the same station is something I can get behind (it should still be significant, say, 8-12 hours). However, removing learning implants entirely is not something I will ever support.

Why on earth would you make a change to a completely unrelated and tactical mechanic, instead of having CCP f.ex add the option to remove learning implants from your head without destroying them?


Jump clones are a horrible mechanic to use to "preserve implants".

The only adjustment that should be made to jump clone timers is a reduction to 22 hours (along with all current fixed 24 hour timers) for the sake of avoiding the inherent schedule creep.