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Suddenly Penguins thrown through my Windows! (Linux)
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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#1 - 2012-08-30 22:01:41 UTC
Well I took the dip and ended up picking up a netbook a week ago or so. Its got a little bit more kick (AMD 64 bit processor and 4GB of RAM) but has a massive downside.

Windows 7.

Currently I'm scouring the internets for a new OS to replace it with, and I am leaning towards Debian (assuming I can decode the instalation procedure from the website What? ) but I wanted to get a second opinion in this. Looking to be running web browsing and Microsoft Office on the machine and not much else. I understand Wine can be used for emulation, but having Eve installed as as skill changer/docked up chat service could come in handy too.

Ubuntu could work I suppose too, but I figured this was a good place to ask for help on this right Big smile

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Jim Era
#2 - 2012-08-30 22:05:42 UTC
linux is bad
and you should feel bad for using it.

Wat™
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#3 - 2012-08-30 22:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
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Ubuntu could work I suppose too, but I figured this was a good place to ask for help on this right

well prolly the "linux" section was even better and no, ubuntu is for those who want to have a Windows clone but say to their friends "hey bro look the big hacker I am: I installed linux on my machine" :facepalms:

Said that, what's wrong with Win7? The best win release since the win98SE times lol

Linux? try arch or gentoo if you are a real man (debian and slackware why not). Arch is very easy to istall and very powerful too, not as gentoo but can be acceptable. Gentoo on the other side has the best forums and online support and documentation of any other distro (followed by arch I guess).

In any case wine sucks, get ready to waste hrs to fix its problems and most of all to fix everything again every CCP update (minor ones included of course) or any video drivers or anything else you will update on your machine. The fact that you think you need wine to use Microsoft Office makes me truly think you're just trolling us though.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#4 - 2012-08-30 22:19:59 UTC
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In any case wine sucks, get ready to waste hrs to fix its problems and most of all to fix everything again every CCP update (minor ones included of course) or any video drivers or anything else you will update on your machine. The fact that you think you need wine to use Microsoft Office makes me truly think you're just trolling us though.


Its not for my main desktop PC this, its for a netbook which although I agree Win7 is a brilliant OS, it is not well suited for such a low powered machine such as this.

I have no experience with Linux so this is my first foray into it and Wine is a emulation tool I have heard of, but I do need specifically Microsoft Office to work on but I was under the impression I could get it to work in Linux aswell... I'm sorry if I come across as a noob in this, but that's honestly what I am in this respect Oops

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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#5 - 2012-08-30 22:36:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
Sure you can run Microsoft Office under wine (well I presume, I never did tbh) but you have LibreOffice or OpenOffice (+ tons of other minor office suites) in linux. If you need to work specifically on Microsoft Office and run windows programs and play a game which doesn't support linux, then you know what? You need windows

You should try to make you win7 less heavy maybe. Feel like playing with win services and regedit? Good luck

Want to try linux and 'fix things on wine'? You'll loose

Thinking about bringing back that electronic thing you've bought? I second it

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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#6 - 2012-08-30 22:39:45 UTC
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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#7 - 2012-08-30 23:02:05 UTC
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:
Sure you can run Microsoft Office under wine (well I presume, I never did tbh) but you have LibreOffice or OpenOffice (+ tons of other minor office suites) in linux. If you need to work specifically on Microsoft Office and run windows programs and play a game which doesn't support linux, then you know what? You need windows


My good sir, if I may direct you to the opening post ;

Kirjava wrote:
Looking to be running web browsing and Microsoft Office on the machine and not much else. I understand Wine can be used for emulation, but having Eve installed as as skill changer/docked up chat service could come in handy too.


The underlined part would be useful perhaps if it was possible, but is ultimately just a bonus of the other two are possible. I am under the impression that MS Office is not too much of a demanding suite as it runs well in Win7 as it stands, but I feel the impulse to experiment somewhat as you have pointed out yourself that you have not.

I have used Open Office and MS Office and have found in my personal opinion that MS Office is the better suite, largely due to Excel being an industry standard with native tie ins to programs such as MatCAD and Autocad.

Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:
[You should try to make you win7 less heavy maybe. Feel like playing with win services and regedit? Good luck

Want to try linux and 'fix things on wine'? You'll loose

Thinking about bringing back that electronic thing you've bought? I second it


Perhaps I have allready tried lightening the bloat, I also call my next venture into bloat reduction on this platform to be called installing a non-Microsoft Operating System. I am going to theorise you are perhaps unfamiliar with the netbook as a series of sub-notebook level of devices, and the high instalation rates of Linux derivatives to make up for their shortcomings.

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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#8 - 2012-08-30 23:24:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
I know what a netbook is, thanks for asking.

That is why I suggested to get it back or in the worst case give it out for charity. I hardly imagine a netbook used for any professional use. Not to mention an even occasional EVE login. Now you mentioned Autocad too. Uhm why not Maya? It can do it, you just have to be faithful and believe!

Ehm..... no, even better: you want to install linux on it but use it as a professionist Win-addicted-user. Interesting. Not that much really.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-31 01:34:41 UTC
The best way to figure out what where and how about Linux for your netbook is to find forum dedicated to that netbook. These days most manufacturers have forums and there might be Linux sub forum, I would start there.

Honestly. If you want to use M$ Office, I would stay with Windows.

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Lord breathenstein
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-08-31 14:54:08 UTC
Install Ubuntu and set it up to dual boot with your infernal windoze 7.
Ubuntu will detect its miserable presence and allow you to resize the windoze partitions.

Wine emulation of eve is possible but certainly is/was (while since I tried it) problematic and will
Suffer from updates and such.

Compatibility with excel, word etc i never really found to be problem but admittedly i am a light user.
I use open office in preference to the windows expensive variants on my windoze 7 pc.

Aother thing to consider depending on your proposed netbook h/w is the gpu. ATI generally used to be
a complete dog to get working where as Nvidia is very well catered for in linux.

Want to make your brain work some more ? you could look at this link...

http://lifehacker.com/5714966/five-best-virtual-machine-applications.
If your using a couple hundred $ netbook then you probably lack the ooomph to
make it work though.

Linux certainly is a way to squeeze some extra life out of some older h/w and has infinite possibilities
regarding how you want your linux to look, feel and perform.

And the best thing....it's free.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#11 - 2012-08-31 16:13:03 UTC
Lord breathenstein wrote:
windoze


Ugh. I hate when people do stuff like this.

Windows is a perfectly good OS. 98SE, XP, and 7 have all been outstanding contributions to the PC world.

Linux is also pretty awesome. As is OSX. Why so condescending?

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Lord breathenstein
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-08-31 16:36:07 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Lord breathenstein wrote:
windoze


Ugh. I hate when people do stuff like this.

Windows is a perfectly good OS. 98SE, XP, and 7 have all been outstanding contributions to the PC world.

Linux is also pretty awesome. As is OSX. Why so condescending?



It's a mindset thing.

osx looks pretty and so forth but they want you to follow the path...their path.

For instance the ipad is a cool piece of shiny kit but what if you want to add memory or hook it up
to a tv or something ?

You either cannot or pay twice the price to do so or wait for their next latest and
greatest piece of h/w s/w which invariably a lesser manufacturer already has but not got the clout to promote
in a market dominated by windoze or shiny mac devices.

Its more about keeping people stupid and making money from it.


Linux is free and usable to the limits of your knowledge. You break it you either learn to fix throw away or reload.
It's your choice.
Jim Era
#13 - 2012-08-31 16:43:09 UTC
only bads don't know how to use microsoft effectively.

Wat™
Bill Banner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-31 17:44:42 UTC
I work with Linux for a living, and have for the past 7 years.

It's great for a great many things, the gaming desktop is not one of them, If you're going to game, do not use Linux. Period.

The same largely goes for OSX.

If you're going to ignore this advice, my suggestion would be to install either Fedora or Ubuntu and give it a try. I REALLY like the Gnome3 interface - but trying to run non-native applications is going to be a source of never ending frustration.
Velarra
#15 - 2012-09-01 01:45:16 UTC
Lord breathenstein wrote:

It's a mindset thing.

osx looks pretty and so forth but they want you to follow the path...their path.

Its more about keeping people stupid and making money from it.

Linux is free and usable to the limits of your knowledge. You break it you either learn to fix throw away or reload.
It's your choice.


Mmm....you really want to wander over to http://www.macports.org/ and look into http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki

OS X comes with a simplified "path" for people who don't want to know how to use computers to any great extent. However it does have a unix underbelly and quite a surprising bit of free open source support for it if you stop and look into it.

In some respects it's not unlike the Amiga's Workbench / Amiga OS which featured preemptive multitasking in an era such things were unheard of outside of 'nix. Yet It was presumed just a game machine, mismarketed by commodore and died a tortured death. A bit like beta video tapes.

In any case, the mac is hardly a single path for idiots type of computer. if you want to explore alternate, free, open source paths with it? You certainly can.
Lord breathenstein
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-09-01 02:26:33 UTC
Velarra wrote:
Lord breathenstein wrote:

It's a mindset thing.

osx looks pretty and so forth but they want you to follow the path...their path.

Its more about keeping people stupid and making money from it.

Linux is free and usable to the limits of your knowledge. You break it you either learn to fix throw away or reload.
It's your choice.


Mmm....you really want to wander over to http://www.macports.org/ and look into http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki

OS X comes with a simplified "path" for people who don't want to know how to use computers to any great extent. However it does have a unix underbelly and quite a surprising bit of free open source support for it if you stop and look into it.

In some respects it's not unlike the Amiga's Workbench / Amiga OS which featured preemptive multitasking in an era such things were unheard of outside of 'nix. Yet It was presumed just a game machine, mismarketed by commodore and died a tortured death. A bit like beta video tapes.

In any case, the mac is hardly a single path for idiots type of computer. if you want to explore alternate, free, open source paths with it? You certainly can.




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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-09-01 17:39:04 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
linux is bad
and you should feel bad for using it.


The great peacemaker between mac and PC Big smile

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