EVE General Discussion

Hey this thread is still alive neat.

Just FYI: RvB don't podkill.

Edit My apologies RvB don't pod people in Red or Blue just everyone else.

On that I completely agree

You were beginning to make a little sense. Then you just lost it again.

I can't afford to keep fitting +5s in my clone because I'd become bankrupt from multiple pod losses. Does that make me risk averse or does that make me realistic? I usually use +3s and sometimes I have to fight in my +4 clone. I don't like it but I do it anyway. Does that make me risk averse? I'd do it in +5s if I had the bank roll.

Just because people are willing to put up with a system doesn't mean that the system isn't broken.

Do your dreads blow up if you choose a smaller, cheaper ship to fly?

I love how this argument was lost before it even left the ground (by ground, im referring to the horrid 3rd party site from which it sprang) and yet, here it is, still with no compelling argument as to why Nullsec should have this particular risk removed beyond "aderp, cuz it halps us peeveepee, aderp".

Here's a tip for all you risk averse cry babies in Nullsec: Move to highsec, or lowsec if you can hack it, and stop crying.

You're making fools of yourself, beyond how foolish you normally look. Learning implants too expensive to replace? Don't use them. How difficult is that? Stop asking CCP to hold your hands and nerf learning implants for the rest of EVE because you can't make the retardedly simple decision to use them if you can afford it and not use them if you can't.

"BAAAAAAAAH!!! But then ours noobs suffer from slow skill training. BAAAAAAAHH!!!"

Then instruct those noobs about the risk / reward scenarios you're so fond of trotting out. Teach them how easy it is to setup jump clones (it's really ******* easy; hai Estel Arador and others). You could even, gasp, spread some of that sickening amount of wealth you hoard and do something that even Eve ******* University has figured out and provide +3 implants at a discounted rate. If Eve University can figure out a way to subsidize implants for it's noobs, i'm sure the great minds you have squirreled away in Null can come up with something similar.

Are you suggesting that any of us feel threatened by Caymus's skillpoints?
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You can't use a dread in hisec, why should you be able use +5s? See I can draw really poor parallels too.

The main problem is that it's a system which rewards risk aversion. No one in their right mind would want to pvp with +5s in if they couldn't afford to replace them. So they don't risk losing them by not using them. Those who are risk averse and remain in the safety of hisec use them. They are rewarded for being risk averse.

You understand how this argument can work both ways, yes? That's because it's such a silly argument. It's a system that has a negative impact of the game.

edit: Someone raised the idea of being able to unplug implants without destroying them. I quite like that idea maybe it would require certain drawbacks but it provides options in an unnecessarily restrictive system.

Why should newbies be punished for being new?

I get it. You're gonna say "In that case why not just let them hop straight into a BS?!" It's not the same. Being new doesnt restrict their ability to pvp (as they can do it in a frigate) but implants prevent them from training skills at peak rates where as a point on a frigate stops a ship warping off as good as any other ship. This is like the learning skills argument all over again. Its like saying you need to earn a certain amount of isk for +4s so that you can start training skills like everyone else. It's become that much of a necessity these days it prevents some players from venturing out of hisec. It's not so much about their risk aversion but more about bad habits and a poor mentality acquired during the first few months of playing.

I dont care so much about skill training times now as I usually just use +3s but I remember it was an issue as a low sp player because sp/hr was all important. I worry more about it presenting a problem to newer players who think that you need to have +5s to be level with everyone else.