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In general, which race would you say has the best ships and which would you say has the worst ships?

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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#1 - 2012-08-31 22:28:46 UTC
Each of the four races has their gems and their stinkers. But which would you say has the greatest quantity of good ships, and which would you say has the greatest quantity of bad ships?
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-08-31 23:07:28 UTC
That is very tough to say.

The reason is a good ship in one race is usually a good ship for entirely different reasons then a good ship in another race.

I would say Amarr have it the hardest now. Their T1 lineup is in shambles and while the new rebalanced Punisher, Executioner and 4 or so Frigates that are coming are good their Cruisers are still bad. The Harbinger is Amarr's first T1 medium laser capable ship and it is mediocre while the Oracle is their first amazing ship and their battleships while good in fleets are finding use diminished by growing Shield doctrine. At PvE they are EM Heavy which is a big disadvantage. If Cruisers and Battlecruisers are rebalanced as well as the Frigates they should have less to worry about. T2 on the other hand is good Logi wise, EWAR wise and the Frigates aren't bad as well as HAC's.

For Caldari they are doing well with the Blaster upgrade. Drakes still good. Rohk / Scorp Fleet Ships. Tengu of course. Then the whole ECM in general. Frigates are in good shape as well as Assault Ships.

Minmatars got the Hurricane and the ASB Cyclone, kiting Rupture, strong Frigates all around, HAC's, Logi, Web based EWAR. Look at a class of ships you can pick out a good one. Artillery makes a good all round fleet weapon. Minmatars in good shape.

Gallente are getting better. Their main problem is that most times the bench mark of a good Gal ship is can I stuff Shields on to it because Armor is slow as nails. They have a lot of small gang choices, Thorax, Shield Brutix, Myrmidon, Incursus and so on. They have the Talos as well. Their Battleships while not big on fleet material are very dangerous in a small environment especially with null buffs. Drone Amp gave them a good leg up too. The Gallente T2 lineup while not spectacular is solid for small scale warfare. Gallente competes well in small scale warfare but they do not scale up near as well as other races.

Amarr's biggest problem their T1 disaster of a lineup will for the most part be flushed out in the next 6-9 months hopefully but they still do have some good early on choices. Armor Vs Shield balancing will help as well. I think soon the question of what race is best will become harder to answer.
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-09-01 01:00:04 UTC
The two best races right now are Minmatar and Tengu.

It knows what you think.

Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-01 01:20:26 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
The two best races right now are Minmatar and Tengu.

This, plus the Caldari ECM line.

If you're a newbie wondering what race to train, the answer is always the same--train Minmatar.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#5 - 2012-09-01 01:22:21 UTC
I personally think that Minmatar have it best while Amarr have it worst.

Much like how the Rifter, Amarr ships are relics of an older era and are in dire need of updates.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#6 - 2012-09-01 01:24:07 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
The two best races right now are Minmatar and Tengu.


Caldari is a close contender for beating out the Minmatar in terms of PvP capability. Not because of any specific strengths like the Minmatar's adaptability, but because of a series of perplexing buffs to their style of fighting.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-09-01 02:15:39 UTC
rifter, thrasher, rupture, navy stabber, all three BCs, maelstrom, sleipnir, loki...

minmatar hardly has any ships that are NOT awesome.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#8 - 2012-09-01 02:40:58 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
The two best races right now are Minmatar and Tengu.

Still on with this bullshit? Grow up

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!

Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#9 - 2012-09-01 03:00:55 UTC
gallente are the best admit it!
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-09-01 04:24:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
Im not a huge expert in Amarr, but they have a lot of ships that I see as good.

Punisher and its line, Slicer, Arbitrator, Harbinger, Omen Navy Issue, Zealot, Geddon, Baddon, etc.

To the extent that Amarr ships might be seen as sub-par, I think that it is because they lack mids, and shield fits are king right now. Its why Gallente are generally seen as only one step better - because Gallente have slightly more mids. Armor needs a buff, then Amarr (and Gallente) will be better. They have a great weapon system.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

mxzf
Shovel Bros
#11 - 2012-09-01 05:18:09 UTC
Gorn Arming wrote:
If you're a newbie wondering what race to train, the answer is always the same--train Minmatar.


This is the right answer, but for the wrong reason.

The real reason to train Minmatar is that they use all different things anyways. If you're fully trained for Minmatar, cross-training another race is as simple as training up racial ships and lasers/hybrids, because training Minmatar already maxed you out in turret, missile, drones, armor, shield, and speed support skills.

So, Min is always a good go-to race to train because everything you train for them (except the racial ship skills for the hulls themselves) will carry over into one or more races when you crosstrain.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#12 - 2012-09-01 05:23:01 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Im not a huge expert in Amarr, but they have a lot of ships that I see as good.

Punisher and its line, Slicer, Arbitrator, Harbinger, Omen Navy Issue, Zealot, Geddon, Baddon, etc.

To the extent that Amarr ships might be seen as sub-par, I think that it is because they lack mids, and shield fits are king right now. Its why Gallente are generally seen as only one step better - because Gallente have slightly more mids. Armor needs a buff, then Amarr (and Gallente) will be better. They have a great weapon system.


I was about to say that I thought the Arbitrator was one of the best cruisers I've ever flown, but it's been a while since I've flown it so it might have been nerfed since then. So I couldn't speak on it.

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#13 - 2012-09-01 05:25:01 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Gorn Arming wrote:
If you're a newbie wondering what race to train, the answer is always the same--train Minmatar.


This is the right answer, but for the wrong reason.

The real reason to train Minmatar is that they use all different things anyways. If you're fully trained for Minmatar, cross-training another race is as simple as training up racial ships and lasers/hybrids, because training Minmatar already maxed you out in turret, missile, drones, armor, shield, and speed support skills.

So, Min is always a good go-to race to train because everything you train for them (except the racial ship skills for the hulls themselves) will carry over into one or more races when you crosstrain.


And Controlled Bursts.

...

Well someone had to say it!
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2012-09-01 07:00:21 UTC
Minmatar receives bonuses to all damage types, other races only receive bonuses to one or two.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#15 - 2012-09-01 07:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilianna Star
Riot Girl wrote:
Minmatar receives bonuses to all damage types, other races only receive bonuses to one or two.

Raw damage and optimal range suffer though.

But what you listed is still a big upside.
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-09-01 08:13:41 UTC
Minmatar overall, but it takes a long time to really train yourself up to a GOOD PVE ship then. PVP you can do with them from day 1 though
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#17 - 2012-09-01 08:14:03 UTC
It is purely based on playing stlye.

Low sec doing hit and runs, fleet warfare, Running L4's, incursions, WH, Industry Defense, High sec war, Jack of all trades.
You will find different races are more successful at different aspects.
Naming off one group as having the most awsome ships is a sign of a new player.
Eve has been around a long time now ccp knows more then you. They have done a real good job at balancing. Being around since 2003 has that effect on a game.

If you happen to see one race as the best: It is due to that ship matching your stlye of play.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#18 - 2012-09-01 08:17:28 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
It is purely based on playing stlye.

Low sec doing hit and runs, fleet warfare, Running L4's, incursions, WH, Industry Defense, High sec war, Jack of all trades.
You will find different races are more successful at different aspects.
Naming off one group as having the most awsome ships is a sign of a new player.
Eve has been around a long time now ccp knows more then you. They have done a real good job at balancing. Being around since 2003 has that effect on a game.

If you happen to see one race as the best: It is due to that ship matching your stlye of play.


Before posting this thread, I thought to myself "Maybe I should specify a certain gameplay style so no one gets confused."

The I thought "No way, I put 'in general' in the thread title. EVE players wouldn't be too stupid to miss that, would they?"

....
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2012-09-01 08:49:32 UTC
I do agree with Ireland,

the answers are always tainted with the replier's personal experience and playing field.

I think that races in general all have about as many "good" ships, when you consider the whole range from noobships to titans, and all their various applications. Each race has "the best" or FOTM ships in some role.



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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-09-01 12:32:49 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Each of the four races has their gems and their stinkers. But which would you say has the greatest quantity of good ships, and which would you say has the greatest quantity of bad ships?



1st best Minmatar without a doubt, you've got absolutely every tool you need to achieve everything in the game. People also say "Tengu", well they haven't realised yet Loki IS the Tengu natural predator, it literally murders them easily. (when you know how)

Last: Gallente, because the horrible combo armor/active or buffer tanking/blasters/horrible rails +lol drones makes them no good but in very specific situations. Being a Gallente dedicated pilot means you pushed your skills to the last standing SP required to make your ship work, even then you're a very easy prey if your opponent knows your ship stats.
They've got a little better after hybrids rebalance, then Talos came out and it's probably the best Gallente ship when SHIELD TANKED.
Over all Gallente dedicated pilots don't have much of a choice of what they can do but they have a very long list of what they can't or shouldn't even try.

But I'm sure some dedicated uber pilot will tell I'm wrong and start with "Proteus" or Serpentis ships (Not gallente).
And of course if you're an Elite Gallente pilot you also shield tank your ships because this is how they were intended to work actually.

Gallente simple: Dev's ideas/solutions and Gallente philosophy don't exist. It's some kind of "meli-melo" strapped together with duc tape leading to lol'ish stuff, no real activity radius, racial philosophy or even place in the current game outside this tiny "niche" some require being Elite one.

brb

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