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Question about security status loss

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Kasai Sakirav
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-28 11:02:03 UTC
Basically, I've been attempting to get into some more low-sec pvp and ran into something somewhat interesting earlier tonight.

I engaged another pilot, and, as expected, upon engaging I got the security status loss for aggression (about .1 loss). He engaged me back (though I attacked first), I won the fight and expected another security status loss (for the ship kill) but it didn't happen. Now I'm simply trying to find out when and why the loss happens sometimes and not other times.

Do you only receive the ship kill sec status loss when they don't engage back?
WonkySplitDemon
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-08-28 11:24:24 UTC
In low, you just get a single sec status loss for any kind of aggression. If you shot his pod, you would of got another sec loss...

Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
Kasai Sakirav
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-08-28 11:25:42 UTC
Though, a few days ago I killed someone and got 2 different losses, one for aggression and one for ship kill, which is why I'm confused that I didn't get one for ship kill this time.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#4 - 2012-08-28 11:58:57 UTC
IIRC, you only get sec loss for the kill if the other guy doesn't engage.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#5 - 2012-08-28 15:31:47 UTC
Tell him thank you for shooting you back.Big smile

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-08-28 15:35:11 UTC
sec statuses are teh dumbest pvp mechanic in eve. keeping you out of highsec doesnt make highsec any safer. however it does punish you for wanting to PvP.

I had to grind my back up, im a bit bitter.

FC, what do?
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#7 - 2012-08-29 22:29:29 UTC
He shot back. If they don't shoot back you get another hit and a kill right against you which can be cashed in anywhere for 30? days...I'm lazy it might be longer than 30.
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-08-30 02:27:08 UTC
highonpop wrote:
sec statuses are teh dumbest pvp mechanic in eve. keeping you out of highsec doesnt make highsec any safer. however it does punish you for wanting to PvP.

I had to grind my back up, im a bit bitter.


If you want to pvp freely in high sec, you will need to be in a war or faction warfare. If not, then go to null sec, and you can shoot to your heart's content. Secure space is supposed to be civilization, not the wild west. Hence the name, secure. :)

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#9 - 2012-08-30 13:20:03 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
highonpop wrote:
sec statuses are teh dumbest pvp mechanic in eve. keeping you out of highsec doesnt make highsec any safer. however it does punish you for wanting to PvP.

I had to grind my back up, im a bit bitter.


If you want to pvp freely in high sec, you will need to be in a war or faction warfare. If not, then go to null sec, and you can shoot to your heart's content. Secure space is supposed to be civilization, not the wild west. Hence the name, secure. :)


Understand how security status works before commenting that it isn't dumb. It is dumb in it's current form and is a small useless barrier to new players looking for some cheap-o low sec pvp. Go to null? Well, take a ride to a high sec > null sec border system and tell me how ya do when all ya want is a little weekend lowsex solo roam around where you live in high sec for maybe a faction rat drop and a player fight.

Remember, it only takes a -3 to start putting a damper on high sec activities. The only people hurt by this are new players with no know how or contacts to grind it back easily if they want to. The confusing nature of exactly how it works could be streamlined, gaining it back through more ways than grinding rats in a particular way could be added....etc




(I'm pretty sure with any upcoming crimewatch changes almost all pirating will be in high sec anyways with no security loss because of the out-of-control suspect flagging mechanic)
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#10 - 2012-08-31 15:00:14 UTC
Security Status is stupid. It's easily worked around with alts, corpmates, and hauling services. There is no reason for established players to even care about Security Status - last night I podded someone just because I wanted to, and I'm -3.5 now and I could care less. I'm about to write HiSec off completely - I don't run the missions, if I mine I do it in LowSec, exploration is better in LowSec, FW takes place in LowSec, I PvP in LowSec/NullSec... I really have no reason to go into HiSec much anymore except to buy things.

The only people Sec Status hurts are newbies who don't have the know-how or resources to work around it.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-08-31 16:02:31 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
highonpop wrote:
sec statuses are teh dumbest pvp mechanic in eve. keeping you out of highsec doesnt make highsec any safer. however it does punish you for wanting to PvP.

I had to grind my back up, im a bit bitter.


If you want to pvp freely in high sec, you will need to be in a war or faction warfare. If not, then go to null sec, and you can shoot to your heart's content. Secure space is supposed to be civilization, not the wild west. Hence the name, secure. :)



I was referring to getting a sec status hit in LS.

FC, what do?
ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2012-08-31 23:33:14 UTC
Hello,

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Piracy_guide

Talks a lot about the sec hits in low sec also some things that happen in low sec. Even if your not a pirate still this guide is a good one for Low Sec information.

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#13 - 2012-09-01 01:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
ISD Athechu wrote:
Hello,

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Piracy_guide

Talks a lot about the sec hits in low sec also some things that happen in low sec. Even if your not a pirate still this guide is a good one for Low Sec information.



"You lose security status for any form of aggression towards another player that has a security rating above -5.0. Mathematics never was my strong point, but it's plain to see that without regular trips to a safe haven with a lot of pirate faction ships floating around to shoot at, you will find that it drops rapidly to the point where it impedes your travel through higher security solar systems and can eventually lead to you being locked out of systems that have a security level higher than 0.4. The basic system for status loss is:

0.5% Standing loss will occur on initial aggression of your target.

2.0% Standingloss will occur on the destruction of your target's ship.

12.5% Standing loss will occur on the destruction of your target's capsule.

The percentages for loss are shown here but this percentage is applied to the difference between your current security status and -10. For example, if you have a security status of 1.0 and aggress a target, you will take a penalty of 0.5%, which removes 0.045 points of security status.

A sharp drop in your security status can leave you locked out from high-security space, unable to access any assets that you have stored in your hangars in those locations.As well as you not being permitted to travel through systems with this security rating or higher, the local navy patrols will ensure this by means of a healthy dose of good old ECM and firepower to cut your ship from under you. They will, however, be merciful and allow you to leave, embarrassed and in shame, in the safe comfort of your little brown blinking egg. "



Yep, confusing and terribly inaccurate. Unable to access my hangars? Since when? Local navy kills you?....oh? I thought they webbed me off into warp fast so players couldn't shoot me. Locked out of high sec?...does that mean the gates won't let me go there anymore????


Let's say I want to fight a guy in a belt and my ss is -3.2 and his is +2.3 if I attack I will loose...wait let me get my calculator...ok -3.2 * .05% / .0043% = I'm just going back to high sec my brain hurts.
ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#14 - 2012-09-01 03:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
ISD Athechu wrote:
Hello,

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Piracy_guide

Talks a lot about the sec hits in low sec also some things that happen in low sec. Even if your not a pirate still this guide is a good one for Low Sec information.



"You lose security status for any form of aggression towards another player that has a security rating above -5.0. Mathematics never was my strong point, but it's plain to see that without regular trips to a safe haven with a lot of pirate faction ships floating around to shoot at, you will find that it drops rapidly to the point where it impedes your travel through higher security solar systems and can eventually lead to you being locked out of systems that have a security level higher than 0.4. The basic system for status loss is:

0.5% Standing loss will occur on initial aggression of your target.

2.0% Standingloss will occur on the destruction of your target's ship.

12.5% Standing loss will occur on the destruction of your target's capsule.

The percentages for loss are shown here but this percentage is applied to the difference between your current security status and -10. For example, if you have a security status of 1.0 and aggress a target, you will take a penalty of 0.5%, which removes 0.045 points of security status.

A sharp drop in your security status can leave you locked out from high-security space, unable to access any assets that you have stored in your hangars in those locations.As well as you not being permitted to travel through systems with this security rating or higher, the local navy patrols will ensure this by means of a healthy dose of good old ECM and firepower to cut your ship from under you. They will, however, be merciful and allow you to leave, embarrassed and in shame, in the safe comfort of your little brown blinking egg. "



Yep, confusing and terribly inaccurate. Unable to access my hangars? Since when? Local navy kills you?....oh? I thought they webbed me off into warp fast so players couldn't shoot me. Locked out of high sec?...does that mean the gates won't let me go there anymore????


Let's say I want to fight a guy in a belt and my ss is -3.2 and his is +2.3 if I attack I will loose...wait let me get my calculator...ok -3.2 * .05% / .0043% = I'm just going back to high sec my brain hurts.


So fix the wiki a lot of pages are player made and can be modified to be more accurate.

Sarcastic posts don't need to be posted and are in the end really nonconstructive especially when someone wants to learn.

Anyways to answer those questions.

No they don't lock you out of your hanger just if you reach a specific security status after -2.0 you are "locked out" of a High Security system. Starting from 1.0 to 0.5.

The local navy will try to kill you yes but they won't scramble you so it is possible to get away. This only happens if your security status(or faction standing or if your in Faction warfare) is too low. The gates will still let you in but as stated the navy will show up and try to kill you.

Also note that if you drop below -5.0 other player can attack you freely without fear of CONCORD.

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#15 - 2012-09-01 11:14:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Sorry bud, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I'm just letting new guys know this really is something dumb they will have to deal with if they want to shoot other players on a casual basis then return to high sec. Also, learning that looking things up sometimes will get you very little or misleading/wrong information is another thing they will benefit from because that is something you run into a lot.

I could fix the wiki but general new player information and experience is CCP's job unless they are talking about paying me in some way.