EVE General Discussion

So go ahead and prove 100% agreement.

I'm not forcing you to keep digging yourself in deeper by making more and more outlandish claims. You're making those claims all by yourself.

So you've found evidence to show collusion or 100% agreement as you've claimed?

A Geddon is a T1 Battleship. A Nightmare is a Pirate Faction Battleship.

I'll let CCP Ytterbium explain what relationship those two different classes are meant to have with each other.


From this Blog.

Wow, lots of folks failed critical thinking...

All Pipa is saying is that since the Mack can tank enough to survive a cost based gank (and is great all other ways), there is no reason to fly a Skiff for mining.

And he's right. The only people who fly Skiffs are those who are either: 1) foolish, 2) not mining with it, or 3) bored and like its colors better than the Mack...


Sure, the Skiff has a great tank. But because the Mack can tank very well, and will almost always (if not always) mine better than the Skiff, the Skiff has not been sufficiently balanced (or the Mack hasn't...).


I think the Hulk is fine. Works for what CCP said it should, and has the drawbacks that mean it isn't the best at everything.
The Mack could lose a little EHP (still above the Hulk, but closer than now).
And with that change to the Mack, the Skiff would be fine.

Well... I do think all of them should get a nice CPU bump.

So, first off, selective quoting just makes you look silly, since anyone can simply look up and notice you were saying something about Geddons needing a buff because of Nightmare?

Where in the world did I say that I preferred one ship in a class (Exhumers are very clearly a single class) to be dominant over the others?

Wait, I said the exact opposite thing. Good job with the reading thing.

Right now, the torch of the Exhumer class has simply passed from the Hulk to the Mackinaw. The Mackinaw tanks enough that Suicide Ganking is not a concern, and for small fleets yields the best (compared to spending a slot on hauler support), and is convenient.

So instead of people saying to newbies "train Retriever > Hulk," they're saying "train Retriever > Mackinaw," which isn't exactly different.

Reduce Skiff's ore hold to 1000 m3. And EHP to 2k.

Problem solved!

I know what you're trying to do: you try to make suicide ganking a viable profession.

Personally, I really have no problem with the Skiff, in concept.

But the Mackinaw (and Retriever) was overbuffed to the point where it overshadowed all others.
Its pretty clear that miners value the AFK-cargobay above all other assets.

Easiest solution to this mess?

SWITCH the Hulk and Mackinaw's EHP.

Hulk already requires miner attention - via its small, rapidly filled Ore Bay.

Mackinaw has huge cargobay - but make it more vulnerable to ganking.
Miners naturally want to AFK with it, yet the lower EHP puts them at risk to ganking, forcing them to keep an eye on things.

Some semblance of tension and balance is achieved.

REAL TIERICIDE:
Hulk - fastest miner, 2nd most EHP - balanced by pain in the ass Ore bay.
Mack - weakest EHP, maximum cargo - AFK-ability balanced by risk of ganking.
Skiff - highest EHP, less cargo, less yield - for mining when you know ganking is going on.

This way, there is no longer a 'slam dunk' decision, pushing everyone out of Hulks and into Macks.

I'd drop its price. It looks like its trading at about 3/4 of a Mack. Most people taking a barge into risky areas would probably want lower investment point. The tank beyond a certain point is rather pointless, but I wouldn't bother lowering it. Make it either faster or cheaper (or even cloakier or warp stabbed).

This sounds good.

Skiff is fine. Hulk is underperforming in relation to both the Skiff and the Mack. Switching the tank would solve this.