EVE General Discussion

Yes, they're annoying, yes they're carebears who prey on mission runners, and yes most of them are cowards and won't fight 1v1. These things we know.

But I thought of it like this. If you pop an NPC and the wreck contains loot - they can steal it. Stealing constitutes taking items from a container that do not belong to you. Salvaged components are items. Salvaged components are contained within a wreck. And yet when someone is salvaging your wrecks and not looting them, they don't get any punishment for it. What it comes down to is them using a module to take your items from a container that you created by destroying an enemy. Anywhere else in EVE this is illegal and results in an aggression countdown. Why not with salvaging? Because some Dev somewhere wrote "CONCORD considers wrecks to be communal junk, anyone can have junk"? Seems legit...

And then of course we move on to everyone's favorite - the real reason its an exploit. Let's say you choose to fight back. I've one shotted many a T1 frigate or destroyer and gotten away with it. 99.9% of the time they either return with a PVP fit ship and a few friends, or all of their friends who were waiting warp in and gank you, you loose everything. My point here is there's nothing - literally nothing you can do about it. You can attack - you might pop one or maybe two of them, but you'll be ganked, scrammed, and pop goes your ship. You loose.

Or you can give in, just let them have all your loot and salvage. They'll make lots of money, you'll have wasted a lot of time and lost isk. You loose. It seems a poorly balanced system where the people making their isk legitimately have absolutely no recourse or defense against having people blatantly steal from them. They want you to try to defend yourself so that they can exploit a game mechanic and have people warp in and kill you, which you would have absolutely no defense against. Balance the system, make it a fair fight.

because OP is bad and can't take care of himself.

I used to think the same way you do.
However, not to long ago I realized that unless I'm missioning in an extremely slow dps boat like a raven, then it is actually more profitable for me to burn missions and not salvage.

So, I now make more isk because I dont' stop to salvage, and if someone ninja loots or salvages my wrecks, I don't have to worry about it.

However, I do leave them yellow just in case I decide I wanna pop someone, but it's been so long since I've seen someone come in to a mission on me that I don't even care anymore.

Not sure if troll...



or genuine butthurt.

So where's the exploit?

The salvage isn't yours until you've earned it. You earn it by being the first one to successfully complete a cycle on the wreck. If you want to compete in that race, you need to come equipped for it. If you choose not to be equipped for it, then that's your choice and your loss. In fact, it's not even a loss — it's just not an additional gain on top of what you've already gained. In fact, in most cases, not going for the loot and salvage means you earn more, so leaving it to them is a gain, not a loss.

Oh, and you seem to be confusing theft with salvage. Salvage is not theft or vice versa. Both have their counters.

They risk their ship...a T1 frigate or Dessy in most cases. Cost less than 500K total. So you pop that. Then the whole fleet of people warp in and you're effed, good by marauder, navy bs, whatever you fly to do level 4's. Then they profit from that.

The exploit is abusing a game mechanic to gain an unfair advantage over a player. Someone stupidly said "you have to earn salvage" - if it wasn't for my guns blowing up that ship, there would be no salvage to collect. Therefore, I earned it. It's mine. Funny how loot can be yours but not salvage, that doesn't make sense. Something's that PASSIVE and should be ACTIVE:

When they steal your loot they ACTIVELY have an aggression countdown for theft. When they steal your salvage NOTHING happens - therefore the result is entirely passive. Like I said, its loose loose, either shoot and get ganked or let them have it and watch your hard work get taken right from under your nose. Dishonorable, weak, lame, and generally poor.

use d-scan (set to 2,5AU). when you see combat probes just warp away for 2 minutes.

OP, did you know that in 0.0 the ONLY way for you to make money to survive is to kill rats while there are no bad people in local ...

and that there are some bad people who will then decide to jump in those systems and stay there .. like ... forever? And cloaked, so that nobody can kill them?! Now people can't make money!!


So really ... there are far worse exploits to deal with!!

lol
too scared to actually fight somebody in null

No, CCP disagrees with you, salvage is a free for all.

Now stop posting, you make carebears look like whining children, thus reinforcing the opinions of all those who call them whining children.