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What do you think CCPs plans for armor and shield tanking are?
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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-08-31 09:09:37 UTC
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An example of meaningful penalty for shield tanking mods could be a max cap reduction. Large enough to make a cap injector mandatory for fits that employ high cap usage mods such as the MWD, energy neutralizers, etc. Large enough to guarantee that shield fits will lose in capacitor warfare against armor ships when equivalent fits are used.
Isn't the idea of balance that equivalent fits should explode at the same time?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
#62 - 2012-08-31 11:09:13 UTC
Paikis wrote:
There is a very simple fix here. Change the Rig skills to reduce penalties by 20% per level. That would remove penalties on any rigs you chose to train to V. Armor ships would retain their HP advantage without being slowed down so much, and shield ships would retain their speed advantage without having a signature radius the size of a small moon.

Penalties from other modules should remain.

Please nerf noobs, i cant kill them nowadays.
Ilykbois Butt4Sex
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-08-31 12:26:23 UTC


ASB FTW Cool

Hyperion:

Low slots -

4 x Mag Stab II
1 x Damage Control II
1 x Co-Processor II

Mid slots -

1 x X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster +Navy Cap Booster 400s
1 x Shield Boost Amp II
1 x Stasis Wed II
1 x Warp Scram/Warp Dis II
1 x Adaptive Invuln Field II

Hi slots -
8 x Neutron Blaster Cannon II

Rigs -
1 x Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
2 x Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I

Drones -
3 x Ogre II
2 x Hammerhead II

+ Low Grade Crystals and a Standard Booster

Who wants to use armor?

1581dps
1780dps + Heat

65,000EHP

2140 shield every 4 seconds
2326 + Heat

oh with Hi Grade Crystals
2457 shield every 4 seconds
2670 + Heat

Throw in some command links and well yeah GG

+ Rapier Buddy and everything dies

Pirate


I think this is valid as showing how awesome ASB are Lol
Lili Lu
#64 - 2012-09-01 14:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Ilykbois Butt4Sex wrote:


a fit +

I think this is valid as showing how awesome ASB are Lol

Obligatory no prop mod What? reply.

But as an eft exercise in shield v armor imbalance ok I guess. A more realistic fit would have been better to post to make the point though.

H- same

M- same except a meta 4 100mn mwd in place of web, and the warp scram would be meta 4

L- drop one magstab II and replace with nanofiber internal II, and make the DC a meta 4

Rigs - one Algid, one anti-em screen, one anti-therm screen

Drones - 4 ogre II

low grade crystals

Eft says all level 5 against uniform damage distribution it tanks 1218 dps (boosting 1783 hp per 4 seconds but better resists, and did not figure in drugs or heat) and puts out 1360 dps with faction anti-matter (and no heat). It can move at 1139 m/sec and for 1m 54s running everything (also no heat). If you overheat it would of course all look better for as long as you don't burn anything out. And yes a rapier alt instead of a falcon alt would benefit it more.P
To mare
Advanced Technology
#65 - 2012-09-02 08:45:43 UTC  |  Edited by: To mare
my tought about tanking rebalance are:
- only 1 ASB per ship
- remove speed penalty from ACTIVE tanking armor rigs, buffer armor tank just got its buff, its time for active tankers now.


just these 2 changes would fix alot of things and after that if we need more changes we can start thinking about that



ps: i always say that but probably is a stupid idea because noone second me but i think hull tanking need a buff as well, tweak fitting reqs of bulkhead, remove speed/mass penalty , increase the % that bulkheads give to your hull hp or add hulltanking rigs, this (if made correctly) would give a good advantage to gal buffer blaster ships.
Noisrevbus
#66 - 2012-09-02 09:48:22 UTC
Ilykbois Butt4Sex wrote:

I think this is valid as showing how awesome ASB are Lol


... and yet you have not realized that fitting one ASB is bad when you have the option to fit more Roll.
SpaceSavage
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-09-02 13:11:37 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSavage
Denuo Secus wrote:
Sun Win wrote:
It's worth remembering that, as currently implemented, armour tanks are king when it comes to capital ships, fighting on wormholes, and so on.



Why? I'm no capital pilot (that's why I'm asking)...but I hear Phoenixes, Chimeras and Wyverns can field a strong tank. What makes armor king? Free med slots?

phoenix is a joke, so is chimera.
also all good ships for brawling is armor: archon, loki, proteus, bhaal, vindi, kronos, ect.

but this kind of fleet only works well in small number with limited capital support, and only popular in wspace.