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Din Chao
#21 - 2012-08-30 17:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Din Chao
So mine the slightly less profitable ores.

Unless you're one of those max yield nazis(edit: National Socialist Party members... *sigh*)
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#22 - 2012-08-30 18:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Back when I mined, I could strip a belt of *everything* in a 0.7 system in a few hours. That was with two hulks and an orca.I could have mined the system I was basing out of all day and not cleared its 11 belts. There are more than enough belts in highsec to meet the demand of the miners there; you just need to find the ones people aren't mining constantly.

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#23 - 2012-08-30 18:20:41 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Nope it is not a problem,



Finally we get to America making up the majority of players and they subsequently destroy what is left.



Majority? Pretty sure Eve is more of UK or EU or whatever the hell they are called game.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-08-30 19:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Matriarch Prime
I am of the opinion that all resources should respawn continuously, have no minimum, maximum is effected by the system security level and the rate should be effected by total quanity. (Obviously, it needs a minimum respawn rate, or else 0 composition means 0 respawn.)

So no boost after downtime, they can be completely depleted, and the more mass that is removed, the the slower it will regain mass.

The system will then automatically adjust belt yield based on miner population. Higher population areas, mean less to go around.

This fits principles that higher risk means more reward and it as time zone agnostic as possible. It also encouraged level loading on the nodes and more local economies.

edit:

Kinda like how you want to manage your extract in PI to optimize availablity ot resources. And since, noone has total control, it brings unassociated players into conflict as to who gets, how much and when. Possible leading to more aggressive "management" techniques.

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Widow Cain
#25 - 2012-08-30 19:30:02 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Mining away from your home base is a pain, and more of a pain now due to the barge changes. Previously you would fly to the "away" mining site, mine your ore, refine it, dump the minerals into the barge and fly home.

Now the minerals will not go into the barge as they are not ore. So you got to fly the barge home, switch ships and do another round trip.

This is the exact opposite of trying to get people to spread out. It encourages you to mine in your home system. I propose the "ore hold" be changed to a "mining hold" that can hold both ore and refined products.

Note: For me this is actually not an issue as I multibox 2 hulks and an orca. But for a new miner with their first barge, it encourages staying in one system.


If you didn't insist on playing an MMO solo this would not be an issue.

People who work in teams have haulers and don't have to mine 2 jumps away from Jita where the ore is gone by DT + 1 hour.

Ever notice how 90% of the "problems" are only problems for solo players?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#26 - 2012-08-30 21:12:44 UTC
Widow Cain wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Mining away from your home base is a pain, and more of a pain now due to the barge changes. Previously you would fly to the "away" mining site, mine your ore, refine it, dump the minerals into the barge and fly home.

Now the minerals will not go into the barge as they are not ore. So you got to fly the barge home, switch ships and do another round trip.

This is the exact opposite of trying to get people to spread out. It encourages you to mine in your home system. I propose the "ore hold" be changed to a "mining hold" that can hold both ore and refined products.

Note: For me this is actually not an issue as I multibox 2 hulks and an orca. But for a new miner with their first barge, it encourages staying in one system.


If you didn't insist on playing an MMO solo this would not be an issue.

People who work in teams have haulers and don't have to mine 2 jumps away from Jita where the ore is gone by DT + 1 hour.

Ever notice how 90% of the "problems" are only problems for solo players?


I don't insist on it, its just the way it seems to work out many times. If I sat and waited for others to log in I'd get almost nothing done.

Eve needs solo activities to do to keep people involved with the game while they wait for others to log in and get their stuff together. And they need to be viable activities.

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Herr Hammer Draken
#27 - 2012-08-30 22:05:14 UTC
This provides some interesting choices. If you can not get to mine what you need for what ever reason, then you need to move to where you can mine. But, I need to be near a major hub for my industrial and sales. Well then I guess you are going to have to make a choice. Buy your minerals off the market to sell in the major hubs or move.

Here is a hint some 80% of eve's high sec belts are almost untouched by miners. Everybody wants to be in the same place.
EVE is a large place people spread out. Now you have incentive to do so. I think this is great for eve. It is imposing a limit on industrials near major hubs. Also will give incentive for ganking as a trade. Miners can and will hire gankers for a fee to get rid of competition. Don't like that then move. EVE is a big place.

Politics of mining just got a whole lot more interesting.

As far as tutorial mining is concerned CCP can always make a noob only room for tutorial mining purposes.
No need to fret over that as the reason CCP needs to do something about overmining the belts.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
ALCYONE
The Logs Show Nothing
#28 - 2012-08-30 22:23:27 UTC

'And if the Kiwis and Aussies can gain any advantage from this then they have deserved it several times over since they have to live with DT in the middle of their normal gaming hours.'
Lors Dornick.

I would be more than happy to swap viriginroids for a move in DT.
As it is DT hits @ 9 pm local time ... which is kind of in the middle of primo play time.
So after you have unwound after work , had dinner , put the kids to bed and said goodnight to the wife ( Wives tend to be more tolerant than GFs or lovers ) ... you can get a good half to an hour of play time before you have to down tools !

I know it has been a turn off for many contempating Monday to Friday playing.

Then again I dont know if WOWs version of taking a whole block of time per week is any better.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-08-30 23:08:52 UTC
It's your fault for living in the wrong time zone. Maybe you should have thought more carefully before you chose where you were born.
Jim Era
#30 - 2012-08-30 23:12:09 UTC
prepare EVE, democracy is coming.

Wat™
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#31 - 2012-08-31 00:35:30 UTC
Meanwhile, I'm removing the bookmarks of all these unused gravimetric sites in lowsec.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#32 - 2012-08-31 00:53:46 UTC
ALCYONE wrote:

'And if the Kiwis and Aussies can gain any advantage from this then they have deserved it several times over since they have to live with DT in the middle of their normal gaming hours.'
Lors Dornick.

I would be more than happy to swap viriginroids for a move in DT.
As it is DT hits @ 9 pm local time ... which is kind of in the middle of primo play time.
So after you have unwound after work , had dinner , put the kids to bed and said goodnight to the wife ( Wives tend to be more tolerant than GFs or lovers ) ... you can get a good half to an hour of play time before you have to down tools !

I know it has been a turn off for many contempating Monday to Friday playing.

Then again I dont know if WOWs version of taking a whole block of time per week is any better.

I'm in Australia and DT isn't a problem anymore. It used to be an issue when DT was an hour or half an hour. Since DT is now less than 10 minutes I don't think we can really complain about it.
Frying Doom
#33 - 2012-08-31 00:57:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Finally we get to America making up the majority of players a minority (actually, a third) and they subsequently destroy what is left.
Fixed.

Also, Russia, Australia and New Zealand collectively account for roughly 1/7 of all subscribers.

My apologies but they still make up the largest single country with 35.85% of subscribers.

But this leads to the question of with only 1/3 of them being from the USA, why they hell are we forced to use American(US) spelling on these forums?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-31 01:13:56 UTC
Yeah, after dt the miners get busy, some belts have been stripped of all the best stuff around 5 - 6 hours later. Been like that for years.
Frying Doom
#35 - 2012-08-31 01:23:14 UTC
non judgement wrote:
ALCYONE wrote:

'And if the Kiwis and Aussies can gain any advantage from this then they have deserved it several times over since they have to live with DT in the middle of their normal gaming hours.'
Lors Dornick.

I would be more than happy to swap viriginroids for a move in DT.
As it is DT hits @ 9 pm local time ... which is kind of in the middle of primo play time.
So after you have unwound after work , had dinner , put the kids to bed and said goodnight to the wife ( Wives tend to be more tolerant than GFs or lovers ) ... you can get a good half to an hour of play time before you have to down tools !

I know it has been a turn off for many contempating Monday to Friday playing.

Then again I dont know if WOWs version of taking a whole block of time per week is any better.

I'm in Australia and DT isn't a problem anymore. It used to be an issue when DT was an hour or half an hour. Since DT is now less than 10 minutes I don't think we can really complain about it.

Except when they do a patch

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ensign X
#36 - 2012-08-31 03:27:40 UTC
Lance Armstrong is proof that the early bird who gets the 'roids also doesn't get caught.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#37 - 2012-08-31 04:58:32 UTC
If belts could be depleted forever there would be no issues.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Hypercake Mix
#38 - 2012-08-31 05:14:16 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If belts could be depleted forever there would be no issues.

No, no. That would be the same problem with a different circumstance.
pussnheels
Viziam
#39 - 2012-08-31 05:15:18 UTC
Widow Cain wrote:
High Sec High Pop areas...
basicly this
Serious if you want to stay in high sec there still plenty of backwatersystem at the fringes with more belts than people
Don t be lazy

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#40 - 2012-08-31 05:18:10 UTC
Interestingly, where I mine in HS has plenty of decent quality roids. A few large ones two, indicating lack of mining.


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