Wormholes

I have said it before but sure i will say it again, we as a small corp know POS's are vulnerable as they are now and can be taken down by people who put in the effort to do so. All we ask is that they be required to put in that effort, it should not be a very easy thing for a few people who are bored to pass the time with. That is our REQUIREMENT to live there.

A medium POS and the lack of defenses it can field is laughable and you can't expect people who actually want to stay in w-space for a long time to live out of them. It just won't happen. Plenty live out of them now and they are nothing but targets waiting to be spotted.

EDIT: If you have read the other massive thread about this you will find a significant number of "smaller" corps who have said pretty much the same thing, but like the larger corps that have voiced their views on this we are all getting ignored on it. I know Two Steps disagrees with us on this but i hope that he can see the overwhelming response from people that don't want POS nerfs to happen and put those views to CCP ahead of his own.

That is his job after all.

As a fellow C2 resident from a large corp, I am glad that the smaller C1-C4 corps are speaking up. Hopefully we hear more from them, as I have already stated my points of view 30x over

Personally as a resident of one of the lower class wormholes, it sickens me that they would want to limit what types of towers we can use.

I chose a corp in a lower category because I like small gang PvP and find capital warfare crap.

If with the New POS setup coming out, I am not able to have my new "Home' as I would like it and would become an easy target for people who felt like kicking me out. Well what is the point? I might as well go live in lo-sec or Null where although I can get my POS hot dropped but I can also defend it to my hearts content.

Stuffing up C1-C4 Wormholes just because you cannot attack the POS with capitals is insane.

We are getting the new POS system no matter what and that means no force fields, to this we will adapt to but limiting us is crap, and as to the ability to support corporations I normally don't run anoms or harvest Ladar sites in my own system thats what other peoples space is for

Making C1-C4 Wormholes different because they are popular is just nuts, they are popular because they work. They work for everyone who doesn't want to be in a Large corp. They work for people who don't want to be in a Null sec sized blob and they work for people who want to be involved in combat and not as an also appearing in capital combat.

Maybe the question should really be why are the lower wormholes more popular than the C5 and C6, maybe it is the C5 and C6 that needs altering?

It didn't save my post! And I'm too tired to repost it all WAHHHH!


tldr; We don't evict people or even attack people's POSs for loot or isk, that gets selfdestructed in front of us. We attack people for fights, I'm sure most people here don't care or even think about attacking anything lower than a C5 due to not being able to use our toys. Also people need to remember that some of us(myself) moved out of lower WHs long before T3 BCs, maybe Large ECM dickstars and deathstars aren't a problem anymore... and maybe they're still stupid hard to get rid of.

It sounds similar to the low-sec/high-sec type arguments you hear from time to time. You know, the ol' "lowsec isnt as populated, nerf highsec to make more people go to lowsec!" type stuff. Maybe it's a similar situation, maybe they see too many people / too many large entities in lower class wormholes and want to nudge more of them along into higher class ones.

Of course, both of these things are stupid. People who don't go to lowsec / high class wormholes don't go because what they offer don't interest them. Nerfing the hell out of the areas that DO offer what they like doesn't fix anything, it just alienates those players.

My views and information may not be as current as the current crowd demands due to an enforced absence in a barren part of the world, but I'll do my best.

Been playing since 2004, and I can safely say that the only thing that keeps me around is the WHs and the nearly unlimited choices of what I can do every day. However, like many others I dont have the time that the large corps need to run sites in the higher classes of holes, so I stay in the lower ones.

I cannot agree with imposing a player limit on smaller holes, and it seems to me like they are making the "soft limit" (the number of towers/players that can use a hole before the sites begin to dry up, though it was never completely confirmed) into a hard limit that will put shackles around the corps who are using the holes for what they are intended to do, such as smash fullerenes together, build T3 materials, etc. I also know many corps who use C1s/C2s as "training wheels" to get people more organized for deeper wormholes and lowsec/nullsec PVP as well. I feel that limiting this even more than how a C1 is already limited would be detrimental to the populations that inhabit the lower class WHs. And if logical thought is used, if these people did not think (or had proven they could not) handle anything higher than a C2, then evicting them from their homes will most likely not encourage them to go deeper into WH space.

I acknowledge that change is coming, forcefields are going away, etc. I think the idea of modular space stations is a good one, and one in keeping with the flavor of EVE and the general path that POS/Outposts have been taking over the last few updates, and I even expected it to a point. But as others have stated, there need to be some limitations to prevent someone from recreating the shipyards out of Star Wars that spanned entire systems and took major fleets (or exploding stars) to wipe out.

As many others have pointed out, however, a work around needs to be made for the current issue of removing every last iota of situational awareness from a pilot when he docks up, or else we will see the Olympic Undocking Games make an unwelcome appearance in a part of space that we have largely cherished for not having to deal with such crap. I dont have any particular ideas at this time how that can be achieved, but I know that between the multitude of high-IQ EVE players and sympathetic devs, something will be worked out. Perhaps a POS module that is low cost, and works the same as a D-scanner, that can be used while inside the station via a pop-up window?

Though many would argue about the masses of the wormholes for hauling in say a month's worth of fuel in industrials, I dont think that's the right way to go about advocating them to re-look at the issues at hand. We dont need increased mass limits on C1 holes that can already support an alarmingly large number of T3s and bombers, and I feel thats the path that arguement takes us down. If you want to place a limit on towers themselves in a lower class WH system, I feel that is a better way of handling the situation than saying, "Only small towers in C1s", etc. If a single corp can only have 3 large towers in the system, that is an appropriate number, and the inability to haul in the requisite fuel will keep people from creating system-wide death stars if the modular POS idea goes into effect the way I think it will (increased fuel consumption, starting from 0, for each module added on, much like the old system worked with certain fuel items)

There are CODING problems with the forcefield and supposedly it's hell on their system or something like that. As a coder IRL I can see the potential problems with them and the load.

BUT WAIT FRADLE, it's their job, they're lazy... just fix it! (it's never that easy and if they say it needs to go, it needs to go)

We don't know the real problem with forcefields as it's held under NDA, maybe they'll eventually tell us. What I would urge is for Two Step, moreso everyone else is to evemail Two Step and NICELY explain that it would help us all understand some of these changes if they lifted the NDA on what's wrong with forcefields(unless there's something exploitable)

I know that a lot of us are noticing system memory usage massively increase when inside a POS forcefield.

Could be a nightmare in terms of resource/asset footprint especially if someone has an obscene amount of anchored modules, ships left floating in FF, stuff used for decloaking, etc.

Its gotta be issues related to the system generating essentially millions of items, and updating their posistion in space every x seconds. Thinking big picture, all the POSs out there, with the new methods of defense, it's gotta e a huge drain on system resoures serverside. That alone makes it a big, huge target for the anti-lag guys. I dont think the anti-lag guys talked to the gameplay guys about it though, before issuing the statement of "We hate POSs as they are now, they will change."