Warfare & Tactics

:D AC does not make it any flexible, it is arties that makes it flexible.

With ac you always have to go to tackle range and then it is do or die, with arties you can shoot out of tackle range and get out if things does not go so well,

(sadly) ^ this. Small neuts an absolute waste. Fight will be over before it comes into play. Fit rocket launcher.

I see you did name your character by throwing silverware down a flight of steps.

I have some views on Destroyers that are not commonly shared. I will share those views as well as a couple of my favored fits.

First - I like ranged destroyers. You have a variety of adversaries out there with different engagement ranges. Being able to cover those ranges is important - especially if you wish to solo. This is even more important due to the recent influx of kiting frigates. Second - you cannot in most cases control range. Your frigate adversaries will come to you. If you fail to kill them quickly enough, they will escape due to being faster. A point is not necessary for most of my kills. And many will laugh at me for that. Shrug. Third and finally, a destroyer is a gun boat. Everything about it should scream DPS. Everything else is secondary and steals from the DPS. With that in mind, here are my fits and thoughts:

Arty Thrasher:
High:
280mm II x 7
Mid:
Limited MWD
TC II
SB II
Low:
Gyro II x 2
Rigs:
Projectile Collision
Ancillary Current x 2

This is old faithful. It will lock out to 54km. With damage implants and close range faction - 1873 alpha. 13km optimal and 14km falloff. With midrange ammo - 1298 alpha and 26km optimal. Tremor - 1129 alpha and 46km optimal. You quite simply try to kill something in 2-3 shots. I like it because it locks far. There are alot of badguys using dual SD or dual TD these days. The condor can lock at 37.5km. You can get at least one shot off before it applies any e-war to you. Sometimes that's enough.

Rail Catalyst:
High:
125mm II
Mid:
Limited MWD
SB II
Low:
MFS II x 2
TE II
Rigs:
Ancillary Current Router
Hybrid Burst
Ionic Field Projector

Warrior II

First - 66km lock range. It is completely immune to dual sensor dampner boats. It's range varies from 418 DPS at 11.6km (12km falloff) to 251 DPS at 46km. I love it's rate of fire - 1.53 seconds. You have some options a thrasher doesn't give you. You can start firing as early as possible. You have a long range gatling gun. In an arty thrasher - you need to hold fire until you're as close to optimal as possible. You won't get to shoot again for 5-6 seconds. The rate of fire also makes it alot more forgiving. In a thrasher it's on you to kill a target before it gets under your guns. In a rail cat - the urgency is more on the target to get there before you kill it. Lastly, if you get kited by someone using a TD and shortening your range - long range ammo is only five seconds away. In a thrasher you pretty much have to ride the horse that brought you. Anyways, those are my thoughts.

You are quite wrong. Yes i have to get in tackle range but then that's what i want. If I have chosen to allow myself in tackle range then i am pretty sure I'll pop the target.

The TE allows me to shoot out far enough that even if someone tries to kite out my guns I can still pump bullets into them at scram range. If they are using disrupter web then i switch to barrage and **** them up. If they lose web then you slingshot the target into your guns.

Arties are screwed if you get engaged at face melt range, I have lost count of the arty thrashers I've killed because of this. I've also killed MANY target in my ac thrasher because they thought 'it's ok, I'm at 10k with an OH'd scram... what could possibly go wrong'.

The only thing I can't kill is something that can kite me at 15km+, the arty thrasher has the same issue but it's range goes out to 20km+

Please bare in mind that I've flown the AC thrasher for a long, long time. My killboard has it as my fave ship with the most kills in it. I've tried arties lots of times over but the Gyro/TE ac thrasher is more flexible in my opinion.

With boosts I think the arty thrasher wins. What the boost does is give you that extra buffer of kite range with longer webs and faster, more agile kiteyness. The AC thrasher is still strong but that lack of web means boosted Arty thrasher comes out on top.

Edit* The thing that does scare me is if someone has the balls to roll an arty thrasher and faction the web out to a 14km web. I am sorely tempted to make one myself simply for the lolz.

Love the dps on my Coercer, but I have to admit, it is not good for solo. I can never finish them.
90% of the fights I have had so far in mine tend to be:

1) We engage
2) We fire off a couple of volleys
3) They realize I am hitting MUCH harder and warp out
4) I break out a hammer and chisel, and try to figure a way to carve another mid slot onto my ship for a point. :(

When I am with a few others in a small group, one of which has a point though, myself and a friend (also in a Coercer) are definitely the dps pounders in the group.

Thrasher does seem to be much more versatile.

Must have worked as the new dev posts say they are moving a low to mid for solo pvp;-)

All destroyers are good.

coercer is my favorite. You may think people will get away because I have no point. But when you fly one with 400 plate dcu and 2 heatsinks with a mwd you will find that people generally comit to fights. And the amount of damage you will do will happen too fast for them to change there mind and decide to warp. The fights are close everyone wants to win no one wants to bail. I lost very few kills due to no point.

I like ac thrasher. But I agree with what princess said. The whole loki boosted kiting fits are really killing solo. I started experimentsing a bit with the fit for concern of tds and such.


To the op. I would say don't fight hookbills with destroyers. I hookbills are the king of minor plexes.

Other than that they are all good - except maybe the catalyst. But my corpmate is having sucess with that so I can't even say its bad.

Corm is very nice. Scram ab td and shield extender lows put on a dcu and use 75 rails. You will have winning chances against everything pretty much. Drams that are piloted smart and get under you guns with an ab will win. Thats the downside. But the upside is huge - drams piloted foolsihly die. Keep the different types of ammo. Know what ranges they will hit and what they will hit if you are tded. Use the buff to hybrids that allow a 5 second reload. enjoy it before they nerf it.

IM all in for the coercer
And by winter it's ganna have a second mid can't wait to start face melting ppl.
What I find fun to fly is a gatling coercer. It pushes constant damage and as long as you have t2 guns it's pretty decent dps.
it may not have the alpha as medium lasers or duals. But that constant damage is worth it.
Not to mention how pimp it's looks streaming lasers at so poor soul.