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New skill Grand Admiral?

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MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1 - 2012-08-29 14:34:50 UTC
I am just thinking and wanted to see what people would think about this skill.

Basically this skill would allow you to oversee 1 fleet per lvl to a maximum of 5. This person would be looking more at the solar system map then at the actual screen and be able to coordinate fleets on where they need to go and what not.

His fleets would be shown moving around the solar system map in real time but the enemy ships and structures would only be updated via scan probes.

Maybe this would also require a new ship class that had bonuses to combat probes and all that info in put onto the solar system map so he can relay this info for the fleet. Just some thoughts. Have fun

This might need to go to F&I but just wanted to put it here first
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-08-29 14:36:57 UTC
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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#3 - 2012-08-29 16:31:12 UTC
With 11 pilots per squad, and 5 sqauds per wing, and 5 wings per FC that is 256 pilots.

Having 5 FC's per "Whatever" is 1281 pilots.

Firstly, how often is that really needed?

Secondly wont this just encourage people like the CFC and the HBC to "blob" people even more then we already do? At the moment to field 500 drakes takes some level of competence. Having everyone anchor up on one guy and "whatever" warp 500 guys to one location and let loose guns is a bad idea.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#4 - 2012-08-29 18:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: MIrple
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
With 11 pilots per squad, and 5 sqauds per wing, and 5 wings per FC that is 256 pilots.

Having 5 FC's per "Whatever" is 1281 pilots.

Firstly, how often is that really needed?

Secondly wont this just encourage people like the CFC and the HBC to "blob" people even more then we already do? At the moment to field 500 drakes takes some level of competence. Having everyone anchor up on one guy and "whatever" warp 500 guys to one location and let loose guns is a bad idea.



You would not be able to do this with this skill. All this skill allows you to do is see where your fleets are at real time via the solar system map and lets you tell poeple where to go.
Kitt JT
True North.
#5 - 2012-08-30 02:01:27 UTC
You have clearly never fc'd a huge fight...

But I do think that fleet size should be increased.

256 was set a while back as the upper limit. Would be convenient sometimes to be able to field more than that in a single fleet.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#6 - 2012-08-30 12:33:50 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
With 11 pilots per squad, and 5 sqauds per wing, and 5 wings per FC that is 256 pilots.

Having 5 FC's per "Whatever" is 1281 pilots.

Firstly, how often is that really needed?

Secondly wont this just encourage people like the CFC and the HBC to "blob" people even more then we already do? At the moment to field 500 drakes takes some level of competence. Having everyone anchor up on one guy and "whatever" warp 500 guys to one location and let loose guns is a bad idea.



You would not be able to do this with this skill. All this skill allows you to do is see where your fleets are at real time via the solar system map and lets you tell poeple where to go.



That would require a massive re-write of all the fleet mechanics I'm assuming. For example even if you can "warp to" this Admiral or whatever it means you can have 1200+ people warp at 0 to the same point at the same time.

I think the idea of some sort of in game support to let someone watch fleet positions on the solar system map is a good idea, but how useful is this if you can't see the enemy fleets?

More interesting would be some sort of probing system that lets several scouts/probes feed back the positions of ships in real time on the solar system map, as that way you could blind the enemy "admiral" or whatever by killing off the scouts.

Tbh though we seem to be fine fielding 900 people already :D

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#7 - 2012-08-30 14:50:17 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
With 11 pilots per squad, and 5 sqauds per wing, and 5 wings per FC that is 256 pilots.

Having 5 FC's per "Whatever" is 1281 pilots.

Firstly, how often is that really needed?

Secondly wont this just encourage people like the CFC and the HBC to "blob" people even more then we already do? At the moment to field 500 drakes takes some level of competence. Having everyone anchor up on one guy and "whatever" warp 500 guys to one location and let loose guns is a bad idea.



You would not be able to do this with this skill. All this skill allows you to do is see where your fleets are at real time via the solar system map and lets you tell poeple where to go.



That would require a massive re-write of all the fleet mechanics I'm assuming. For example even if you can "warp to" this Admiral or whatever it means you can have 1200+ people warp at 0 to the same point at the same time.

I think the idea of some sort of in game support to let someone watch fleet positions on the solar system map is a good idea, but how useful is this if you can't see the enemy fleets?

More interesting would be some sort of probing system that lets several scouts/probes feed back the positions of ships in real time on the solar system map, as that way you could blind the enemy "admiral" or whatever by killing off the scouts.

Tbh though we seem to be fine fielding 900 people already :D



In my idea you would not be able to control the 5 fleets you would just be able to see them Via the map real time. You would also fit a scan probe launcher and possibly a new scan prob that relays FOF ID or something so you can give orders over coms to your FC's for example Bombers warp to sun the enemy is warping in that direction. There was a video a while ago with a tactical map that showed fights ragging in a solar system I would like to see that implemented. I agree that it probably would take a lot of code but I think it is something that going forward this game would benefit from.

I was hoping for people to help build on this idea I know what I have purposed is not perfect but If CCP would allow people with this skill to see colors on the solar system map say at 10 AU a lvl with lvl 5 unlocking the entire solar system it might not be as hard to get in sooner then later.
Merkal Aubauch
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#8 - 2012-08-30 17:30:34 UTC
I'd call it Blob Commander skill
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#9 - 2012-08-30 18:52:40 UTC
I just got a mental image of taking Fleet Commander to lvl VI or VII for more wings...

The horror....the horror
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#10 - 2012-08-30 18:57:37 UTC
PinkKnife wrote:
I just got a mental image of taking Fleet Commander to lvl VI or VII for more wings...

The horror....the horror


So true. I guess the idea I have in my head is not coming across as well as I would have hoped. Oh well maybe with the new POS's we can have something like a forward command module that will have addition info displayed on the solar system map.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#11 - 2012-08-31 12:18:21 UTC
MIrple wrote:
[quote=Inquisitor Kitchner]

In my idea you would not be able to control the 5 fleets you would just be able to see them Via the map real time. You would also fit a scan probe launcher and possibly a new scan prob that relays FOF ID or something so you can give orders over coms to your FC's for example Bombers warp to sun the enemy is warping in that direction. There was a video a while ago with a tactical map that showed fights ragging in a solar system I would like to see that implemented. I agree that it probably would take a lot of code but I think it is something that going forward this game would benefit from.

I was hoping for people to help build on this idea I know what I have purposed is not perfect but If CCP would allow people with this skill to see colors on the solar system map say at 10 AU a lvl with lvl 5 unlocking the entire solar system it might not be as hard to get in sooner then later.



Yeah it sounds good in theory, but I think one of the problems would come from knowing the enemy location.

If you have two 700 man fleets and both know everyone's positions one of two things are going to happen:

1) It becomes a slugfest as people warp to each other and duke it out, winning by simply piling more people in.

2) no-one engages as they constantly keep away from the enemy until the moment is right, but thats what the enemy are doing too.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#12 - 2012-08-31 13:24:50 UTC
There was a video that the devs I think put out that had a cool tactical map with red and blue markers showing where the fleets were and what was going on. That is the idea behind this. For the life of me I can not find that video at the moment anyone else have the link.