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I take it you are a hi-sec player then

Another **** article by a **** website nonshocker. Nothing to see here, move along.

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I agree that removal of attributes from implants is a good idea but not with the removal of those 5 slots -- that would be problematic. As such, the "remove attribute implants" part of the article I do disagree with - there is another option.

The best idea I've seen on it would be to convert those 5 slots into hardwire slots. So you'd have 10 hardwire slots vs 5 attribute + 5 hardwire.

Many can afford what others consider a fortune in ships/fittings to fly and even lose them with no more than a shrug - we can buy more. What no one can buy is even 1 SP they didn't train and PvP players catch it in the short hairs the earlier they get into PvP vs those who "play it safe". I've always found these training benefits for PvP avoidance to be onerous. (if anything, PvP players should train skills *FASTER* than PvE players as a benefit - not slower.)

I find no logic for why a station trader should train weapon and ship skills faster than a PvP player who uses them daily yet that is the case due to implants being used - in complete and total safety from any risks at all.

*VERY* few heavily involved in PvP fit higher end learning implants - the KB's bear this out pretty plainly. The bulk of learning implants are fairly exclusively in PvE - those are the ones that fit the higher end attribute implants.

The net effect would help PvP players. Non-PvP types gain virtually nothing from this but those involved in PvP gain benefits from it. Be they veterans from 2003 or newbies heading off into dangerous space, they'd gain.

"dumbing down" - I've yet to meet a player that found it difficult to grasp +1 attribute implants aren't as good as +5's for training. It doesn't take a stellar intellect to figure that out. Now remaps - I know many that struggle with how to use them but implants? No.

If a conversion to hardwires was done, it would be adding more complexity vs removing it and a hell of a lot more would be filling up their heads with implants vs just dropping a couple +3's or +4's in (to favor their current remapping). As such, for the KB huggers it would more than likely INCREASE the value of pod-kills vs freaking you out about any potential KB worries.

I can't think of a single corp with a SRP that also replaces implants.

A couple of +4s cost that much and it works if you're remapped to train a specific set of skills. They're fairly cheap at the individual level for anybody who isn't new/poor.

I recall CCP Soundwave wanting Sansha Incursion NPC's to POD but it was shot down as a bad idea

Guess what, "OTEC" is currently shooting each other. You would know that if you had any clue about what happens in Nullsec at all. Or looked at Dotlan. Or Kugutsumen. Or EN24. Or anywhere outside of your tiny little missioning/market hub. This isn't a new thing either.

Alternatively you could start reacting PT from Cobalt, but I guess that's more effort than just buying the stuff off the market. Easier to just forums warrior.

A sensible proposal. +1

So get rid of learning implants.
Keep the faction implants with ship bonuses minus the attribute bonuses.
Add learning boosting programs:
-Purchased for LP and isk.
-Give +1 to +5 bonus to some or all attributes
-Only work for a month or so.
-Keep working after being podded.

This would keep or improve the isk sink, and removes the penalty for certain kinds of PvP. Rich people who play more can afford better ones but that's how it should be.

I would also implement this with a change to clone costs that are dramatically reduced and with the option upon being podded to auto buy the clone you need to cover your current skill points.