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There just comes a point where when dealing with someone who grasps so little you cannot do anything but shake your head.

This is exactly what I'm talking about man, if you knew anything you'd realise that after playing for a long time people get into everything - not just industry.

It's call ... experience.

Something you need before furthering this conversation.

You are making a fool of yourself. You know so little, you don't even know what you don't know.

Actually Rev, with you asking for new player opinions, and me being a "new" player. Seems like we should get along just swell.

As for starting mining in this game it is a bit wierd. Most people will say lower secs have better roids, like just in .5-.7 space, or go for the best ISK roids. But most of the mining corps will be there, to suck those roids away. Plus if you log on later after those corps do, you get no precious pyroxeres. (But that is before the drone nerf) Yeah alot of stuff in industry is bad. I still think hi-sec PI is worse then hi-sec mining though. Its just seems a tease.

Actually for anymore lessons you want to teach for me gaining experience, go ahead, you do seem like someone
I haven't seen before. (Most people usually win, or CCP gives a buff to them, or at least a Dev comments before it gets tooo sad, but not in your case. Which is kind of new for me)

Also you mention new players in indy corps, but I couldn't help but think of this :

They are fixing industry queues up - for t2 production etc, this winter I believe.
Also redoing corporate page, with security etc.
Also redoing the contract system into the new treaty system.

That seems the new player experience will be better, but you did mention issues past the new player area, that do seem hard, but also hard to fix.

Well, it seems you mostly want to talk about small industry corps or alliances moving into low or null sec. (Which tbh, I do not have much experience, mostly from not many people posting about it on the forums) (What they mostly post about, or I hear, is small pvp corps or alliance moving into null or low, or just small corps in general moving there and having a hard time with it.)

That is a hard problem, if that is what you are mostly going for or want to do. Remain in a small or new corp or alliance and head there.

You mentioned lack of making ISK, or high bills to pay, as well as pvp threats distrupting you. Which is all true.

But there is also game design or game mechanics that are hard to deal with or create. (Also why I think you see me as too new really)

As in null or low, was never created or designed to allow small corps or alliance in. (so with you wanting to go there, of course it is tough, or almost impossible) ( A lot of other players, gripe about that issue, how it was never designed to allow small entities in and allow them to thrive.) (EveNews24 is pretty much built on that issue really)

As for you getting help as you claim to want. That seems hard perhaps. Like a lot of players, want a big area, or a place for large entities to thrive as well. So its hard to have one area, where Large and small entities live and thrive at the same time. That is the game design problem you run into. I would love to help you out more, but that problem kind of seems impossible to handle right now. Otherwise I would support ya, in what you want to have happen.

Of course you could try to tempt me to not enjoy large entities, or to only focus on small ones, and screw over large ones. Who knows how that will go. Tempt on

Hey you, insulting my intelligence. Watch this !!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G52aaTFibHo

This is how your Posting makes me feel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP2I-y6kBVs

Well here are some more peanut gallery comments, from some real peanuts.



That was all before mining buff as well. So probably factor in less hulks being used, but more macks to make up for that.

I just think your gonna have to start thinking of spodumain like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scrfb7ec3qY

Im sorry Rev you got it completely wrong


The correct phrase is "May BoB have mercy on your soul."

All praise BoB.

Already said it in another thread, but thought it fit here as well.


People have been on summer vacations and we've been looking at the ideas we have for the coming months and prioritizing the ones we like best and think we can complete in time. So news of upcoming features will start to emerge as soon as the devs have had time to arrange more of the details. And we'll bring you In Development videos with more info about the future real soon too ;). Ttue there's been little news, but that will change.


Hurry Rev, now is the time to strike, go convince the CCP to support your spodumain change. You have trained on spodumain and waited all your life for this moment. Don't let it pass by.

So since I ran pretty much on seeing that mining and industry get some love I'll share my perspective. The miners and industrialists can expect some long overdue attention in the next 24 months (which I know seems like a long time and also provides CCP with enough runway to totally change their minds so consider this with an adult sized portion of skepticism.)


The good for mining in plan at this moment:
1. We got the barge buff and a new mining barge is in queue. Nice start.
2. Ring mining is coming in a year or so (crossing my fingers on that). When that gets here a lot will change.
3. We have new asteroids bring developed that will contain multiple "ores". No ETA but interesting development.
4. Moon minerals will be available to be mined in some form (as part of ring mining?)
5. Crime Watch has the potential to improve the safety of high sec miners.
6. I'm going to also add the new POS plans because since they will be anchorable anyplace they could make supporting low sec or small null operations more practical.

OK, so all good, but since this in plan all the CSM can do is watch to see how it ends up being implemented and make sure these plans stay in place. Getting any of that sooner seems unlikely. And honestly this could drag out for years.

For industry the big change is the very very cool automated build machine being planned. This will be huge! Again the only frustration is it isn't a near term thing.

Overall, the current CSM seems to have a few folks that want the mining and industry changes and we saw that a lot of cool stuff is in plan. Short term however, our barges and the upcoming new frigate is all we can expect for a while.

I'd like to see Technetium addressed sooner, either by changes in its use or introduction of alternatives. For example make more ways to build nano transistors using other moon materials or even high end normal minerals. (my dad designed materials for transistors for Motorola for most of his life and had something like 200+ patents on the process so I can tell you in the RL world there are many many different ways to make semiconductors.)

I'd also like to see the ore on low sec SERIOUSLY improved to the point that we see miners trying out their new skiffs in less safe areas to make some better rewards for taking those higher risks.

So as a CSM that ran on making mining better I can't say my work is done but I see a lot of what I hoped for already inplan, so now I think its all about making sure CCP delivers.

Issler

I have never said PvP should be removed, only that it is just one part of this game and not the be all and end all of it.

Yes a huge issue.... Old posts on it:



So... The lower end roids are there - in mass but the miners don't want to "waste the time" mining that stuff vs getting the high-value ores. So... They not only want the high value ores but also even more of the lower end ores for doing nothing extra.

Greed is good! -- the ores are there in the appropriate types of roids and those roids are available in low and nullsec. If you don't get off your lazy ass and mine the stuff that holds what you are after, don't whine about how others are getting value from it.

Messing the ore market up to make life easier on null types is not something most players are all that interested in anymore - not after the moon goo stunts and stagnant world it shows. There is little tolerance by both PvE and PvP types for "nullbears" wanting to bloat their wallets with even LESS effort.

As for tools that can help an industrial firm cut costs and manage better - no problems. Just not this "gimmie more wealth with no trade-offs" bunk that many null type miners spew. That's bunk.