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Mining in an industrial - Just dont.
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Robert De'Arneth
#21 - 2012-08-30 14:48:42 UTC
I think it is advice, and advice that should be follwed by every NEW EVE Citizen, afterall that is what this forum is for. :) You just want to argue is all your tripe is about.

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Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-08-30 14:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiro Ceffoe
Put simply I have mined in an industrial and I am a new player, I would have thought that I and others like me were the point or "audience" of this post, yet it doesn't make me want to mine in an industrial any less, you didn't provide any information I can use to determine for myself why mining in an industrial is bad.

If I was to create a new post and claim "there is no profit in Planetary interaction cos' it's dumb" would that be advice?

Robert De'Arneth wrote:
I think it is advice, and advice that should be follwed by every NEW EVE Citizen, afterall that is what this forum is for. :) You just want to argue is all your tripe is about.


I am not arguing, I am debating, that is what A forum is for, I would prefer that rookies in eve use there brain to determine wether mining in an industrial is either good or bad based on fact not on opinion and supposition.
Keno Skir
#23 - 2012-08-30 14:55:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
Don't use an industrial ship to mine cos' its dumb

Is NOT advice


Thats not anywhere near what i said, and everyone seems to see it but you. And reducing my post to a silly 1-liner makes only one of us look silly.

Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
Put simply I have mined in an industrial I am a new player, I would have though that I and others like me were the point or "audience" of this post, yet it doesn't make me want to mine in an industrial any less, you didn't provide any information I can use to determine for myself why mining in an industrial is bad.


You are an AFK miner. Sitting at your computer doing something else makes you no less an AFK miner. I have clearly stated several times now that the post is not aimed at AFK miners, but at new players being told crap advice BY afk miners like you. Please can we just stop the trolling, every point you have tried to make is already obviously covered in the first post Ugh

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Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-30 15:01:17 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
Don't use an industrial ship to mine cos' its dumb

Is NOT advice


Thats not anywhere near what i said, and everyone seems to see it but you. And reducing my post to a silly 1-liner makes only one of us look silly.


It's a simple summary of your post, but I can change it to
"industrial ships are a STUPID choice of mining ship."
If you prefer, the meaning and context remain the same.
Keno Skir
#25 - 2012-08-30 15:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
"industrial ships are a STUPID choice of mining ship."


Correct.

And if you mine in a system with no stations and that fact makes you mine in an indy, move systems and use a different ship.

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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-08-30 15:05:59 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
I think it is advice, and advice that should be follwed by every NEW EVE Citizen

Not just new players. I've seen 5-year old pilots flying Industrials fitted with Mining Lasers, even though by the time they reach the 1-year mark they should have noticed Mining Barges or at least the Osprey.

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Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-08-30 15:06:43 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
You are an AFK miner. Sitting at your computer doing something else makes you no less an AFK miner. I have clearly stated several times now that the post is not aimed at AFK miners, but at new players being told crap advice BY afk miners like you. Please can we just stop the trolling, every point you have tried to make is already obviously covered in the first post Ugh


Actually I am not an AFK miner I was just providing examples, in fact you probably won't see me mining at all as I find it to be rather dull, not the point though and therefore irrelevant.

I in fact for the most part agree, mining in an industrial generally generates less income than mining in a frigate does, but it all depends on the situation at hand.
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-08-30 15:11:58 UTC
EVElopedia Mining Guide

See what I did there? I provided factually correct, supported helpful information in one line whereas you created an entire post, got all defensive about it and yet said significantly less than I did.

Also I never once insulted or attacked you in any way to make my point.

Did I "troll" you?

Was I right?

Are you angry?

This is over.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-08-30 15:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Reading is something they didnt teach you.

OP said that indy mining is "good" for AFK mining (which is what you did).
He is more talking about ATK mining in indy ships.


Yet the topic title reads Mining in an industrial - Just dont, where it should read Mining in an industrial - just dont, unless AFK.

highonpop wrote:
mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.


Even though I just gave you a reason why it worked for me in one situation, I'm sure there are other situations it would also be useful for.




I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong. I'm just saying that an industrial is NOT meant for AFK mining. If you get outside of 1.0-0.9 space and do it. You WILL die to the belt rats. YOu can't tank an industrial to perma-tank belt rats, even frigates.

It has no tank. No mining yield bonus. only 1 or 2 turrets. The training time for a retriever is like 2 days. Stick a retriever in a belts with an invuln field and drones set to agressive and THEN afk mine.

The retriever can hold MORE ORE than your industrial ship can. A badger MKII with T2 cargo expanders in the lows and T1 cargo rigs still cant haul as much ore as a retriever can.

tl;dr

there is no advantage to using a badger mk2 over a retriever. Aside from initail investment of ISK. Retreiver can hold more ore, it can yield more ore, has better tank, and can field 5 small drones for highsec frigate rat protection. When you do the math, there is ZERO reason or advantage to using an hauler to mine.

FC, what do?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-08-30 15:32:02 UTC
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.

The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.

It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind.


This post and then later on you claim

A. Not to mine AFK
B. Not mine at all cause it's dull


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You just lost ALL your possible right to believe your post.
You are just another FAIL forum troll alt, if you want to do that. Pick a story and stick to it.

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Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-08-30 16:06:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiro Ceffoe
highonpop wrote:
I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong. I'm just saying that an industrial is NOT meant for AFK mining. If you get outside of 1.0-0.9 space and do it. You WILL die to the belt rats. YOu can't tank an industrial to perma-tank belt rats, even frigates... truncated


For the most part you are right, I think the OP was talking about pre mining ship capable pilots, I certainly was, I think once a pilot gets into a mining ship it becomes a non-issue.

J'Poll wrote:
This post and then later on you claim

A. Not to mine AFK
B. Not mine at all cause it's dull


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You just lost ALL your possible right to believe your post.


Once upon a time I played a game of football, didn't like it, doesn't make me a footballer, you must first do something to discover that you do or do not like it.

J'Poll wrote:
You are just another FAIL forum troll alt, if you want to do that. Pick a story and stick to it.


Or maybe I don't want to do that.

But for fun can you provide a definition of "FAIL forum troll alt"?

Also there is nothing in my post to believe, stop taking everything so literally, I made an example to highlight a point, wether you beleive the story I used to highlight the point is irrelevant, it's still a valid story and a valid point.

There is so much anger and hatred on these forums is it always like this?
Erinn Sylvanus
NovaTech Universal
#32 - 2012-08-30 16:08:08 UTC
I would say that in general, the OP is correct.

That said, I have done it on an alt in two situations:

1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.

2) When I was hauling for corpmates or my alts, and didn't have a full load - I'd sit in the belt tractoring in cans and running a laser so that I was mining ore, too.

But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk.
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
#33 - 2012-08-30 16:12:33 UTC
mkint wrote:
Do people even still try to go for a mining indy ship since the retriever buff?

And this is kind of a pointless ranting thread. inb4lock


Someone was just talking about it recently - at least your post provided some value and didn't make you look like an ass....oh, wait...
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-08-30 16:58:24 UTC
Erinn Sylvanus wrote:
I would say that in general, the OP is correct.

That said, I have done it on an alt in two situations:

1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.

2) When I was hauling for corpmates or my alts, and didn't have a full load - I'd sit in the belt tractoring in cans and running a laser so that I was mining ore, too.

But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk.


Did almost the same as your 1st point.

Main was doing some PvP, one of the alts was sitting in a 1.0 system chewing a Veldspar rock with an itty 5.

But then again, if I really want to mine while "paying attention", I take out dedicated mining ships (bonused stuff).

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Keno Skir
#35 - 2012-08-30 17:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
Also I never once insulted or attacked you in any way to make my point.

Did I "troll" you?

Was I right?

Are you angry?


1. You havn't made a point. Everything you have said has been contradictory and invalid to the point where it's obvious you just want the last word.

2. Yes

3. No

4. I feel a bit sorry for you

Lastly just for you Hiro :

Industrials are a bad idea for mining while actually looking at the game. There is no argument to this point since the stats of the ship are just way lower than any other ship for the point in question. The point in question is mining output while at the computer looking at eve. Indistrials are for carrying cargo from point A to point B, and are ONLY good for mining if you are in hisec and want to spend your time not actually playing eve (on that character) but still want to slowly scrape in ISK.

All of this has been said before, as you have read several times by now.

No hard feelings, see how i even avoided the opportunity to link a currently poigniant forum troll in answer to your definition question.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#36 - 2012-08-30 17:19:21 UTC
Just use a Retriever.

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Keno Skir
#37 - 2012-08-30 17:22:00 UTC
Cruiser pilots for the rifterlings Ugh don't you guys fly rifters like that famous and sweaty rifter society? Maybe just a clever name to trick us Pirate

Yeah get any MINING ship you can.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-08-31 06:05:44 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Cruiser pilots for the rifterlings Ugh don't you guys fly rifters like that famous and sweaty rifter society? Maybe just a clever name to trick us Pirate

Yeah get any MINING ship you can.

That "famous and sweaty rifter society" undocks battlecruisers with little hestitation if they feel it's needed. Not that they fly Rifters for the hell of it Smile

OT: I wouldn't recommend this either since we have AFK barges these days. If you don't have ISK to get them, there are much faster ways to get it than chewing rocks in Indies or something. You can try exploration for example.

If you absolutely need to do this totally AFK and don't have more than 1-2 mil ISK, well, you can go for indy, but your IRL money into ISK conversion rate will be terrible once you calculate in power your PC consumes Big smile

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3M Sinq Laison
#39 - 2012-08-31 06:15:48 UTC
highonpop wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.

The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.

It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind.



Reading is something they didnt teach you.

OP said that indy mining is "good" for AFK mining (which is what you did).
He is more talking about ATK mining in indy ships.



mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.



This tbh.

You get 20K m3 ore in like 45 minutes.
Lets say its veldspar, thats less than 300K ISK per hour. Yea 300.000 ISK per hour....
Thats 1-2 missions.
Well I guess its a lot to some.
Rams Trough'put
White Knight's Production inc.
#40 - 2012-08-31 23:18:52 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
mkint wrote:
Do people even still try to go for a mining indy ship since the retriever buff?

And this is kind of a pointless ranting thread. inb4lock
It's not rant, it's education.
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+1 Keno.
Wow, they were in 0.0 space in a iteron3, with no tank, WTF!!!! lol

I to am guilty of this(my first half a hour or so of mining, in 0.9 space) till I had a lil understanding of my gear, and how slow it is. Once I figured out how to jet can and mount 4 lasers on my Catalyst and I was done with that foolishness. Blink
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