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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#281 - 2012-08-30 14:32:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Guess what Chribba does that excludes him from this context?


Mines Veldspar in Amarr (1.0 sec, high population) in a dreadnought?
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#282 - 2012-08-30 14:38:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Guess what Chribba does that excludes him from this context?


Mines Veldspar in Amarr (1.0 sec, high population) in a dreadnought?


Is Amarr a rookie system?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#283 - 2012-08-30 14:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Guess what Chribba does that excludes him from this context?
Mines Veldspar in Amarr (1.0 sec, high population) in a dreadnought?
Close but not quite…

Mines in a large number of systems (none of them rookie systems) because that provides reliable access to ore rather than the limited and unreliable amounts you'd get from a a single 1.0 system, not to mention having immediate access to a high-volume trade hub.


Anyway, the point is: if a couple of Australians manage to work at minimum EVE-wage for an hour a day under ever so slightly more secure circumstances, then that's a price worth paying for having better newbie protection. If it turns out to be a problem (and it has never been so far), it's an easy one to solve as previously described.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#284 - 2012-08-30 14:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
MIrple wrote:
Is Amarr a rookie system?


Who said it is?

Was just trying to figure out what Drop meant by saying "Chribba is different than others".

Tippia wrote:
Anyway, the point is: if a couple of Australians manage to work at minimum EVE-wage for an hour a day under ever so slightly more secure circumstances, then that's a price worth paying for having better newbie protection. If it turns out to be a problem (and it has never been so far), it's an easy one to solve as previously described.


You mean Muricans, right?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#285 - 2012-08-30 14:52:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Guess what Chribba does that excludes him from this context?
Mines Veldspar in Amarr (1.0 sec, high population) in a dreadnought?
Close but not quite…

Mines in a large number of systems (none of them rookie systems) because that provides reliable access to ore rather than the limited and unreliable amounts you'd get from a a single 1.0 system, not to mention having immediate access to a high-volume trade hub.


Anyway, the point is: if a couple of Australians manage to work at minimum EVE-wage for an hour a day under ever so slightly more secure circumstances, then that's a price worth paying for having better newbie protection. If it turns out to be a problem (and it has never been so far), it's an easy one to solve as previously described.


What in God's name are you blathering about?

You said Veldspar wasn't that desirable. You are now persona non grata as far as Chribba is concerned.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#286 - 2012-08-30 14:53:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Who said it is?
Mr. Epeen did by implying that his business all over New Eden was comparable to staying in a single system and relying on the limited resources available there.

Quote:
You mean Muricans, right?
No.

Mr Epeen wrote:
What in God's name are you blathering about?

You said Veldspar wasn't that desirable. You are now persona non grata as far as Chribba is concerned.
As you know full well, I'm talking about how the minimal amount of Veldspar you'd be able to squeeze out of a newbie system isn't worth enough to only let you mine it one hour a day because on the scale of thing, Veldspar isn't an intensely desired material, so you can stop playing stupid too. There's a reason why Chribba doesn't just operate in Amarr and does other thing than mine Veldspar, you know…
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#287 - 2012-08-30 14:58:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Who said it is?
Mr. Epeen did by implying that his business all over New Eden was comparable to staying in a single system and relying on the limited resources available there.


Yeah, moving to other rookie system isn't allowed because...?

Because they are too afraid to move to next system? lol
Ever tried to suicide gank brick Proteus or Damnation in hisec?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#288 - 2012-08-30 14:59:40 UTC
I agree with the drive to punish those who systematically target rookies, and I see nothing wrong with doing so. I still believe however that we need more clear-cut rules to make sure that such incidents are and remain rare.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#289 - 2012-08-30 15:00:56 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Yeah, moving to other rookie system isn't allowed because...?
Of course it's allowed. For the scenario you're envisioning, it's also meaningless.

Quote:
Ever tried to suicide gank brick Proteus or Damnation in hisec?
As luck would have it, that's pretty irrelevant.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#290 - 2012-08-30 15:02:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Yeah, moving to other rookie system isn't allowed because...?
Of course it's allowed. For the scenario you're envisioning, it's also meaningless.


What do you mean?
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#291 - 2012-08-30 15:02:42 UTC
Sadbox seems a little lumpy these days...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#292 - 2012-08-30 15:04:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
What do you mean?
I mean that moving to a different newbie system means you are leaving the security you so desire, so that would defeat the purpose of being there to begin with. I also mean that moving to a different newbie system because the first one has run dry immediately after DT is meaningless because guess what will have happened in that other system while you were busy in the first one…?

Since you claim that you have read the thread, you know this already, so stop playing stupid or stop lying. Your choice.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#293 - 2012-08-30 15:10:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
As you know full well...


I don't know full well anything but what you said in the post I quoted. But I do know full well that if you insult Veldspar, you insult Chribba.

Tippia wrote:
Mr. Epeen did by implying that his business all over New Eden was comparable to staying in a single system and relying on the limited resources available there.


I implied nothing. I boldly stated that you are going to be in Chribba's bad books if you belittle the importance of Veldspar.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#294 - 2012-08-30 15:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
I mean that moving to a different newbie system means you are leaving the security you so desire


Flying in a ship with 600k-700k EHP in hisec is clearly unsecure.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#295 - 2012-08-30 15:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't know full well anything
If you say so.

The simple fact remains: veldspar isn't desired enough to make it worth-while to try to camp newbie-system belts right after DT.

Quote:
I implied nothing.
…other than injecting an ignorant comment into the context of an on-going discussion.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Flying in a ship with 600k-700k EHP in hisec is clearly unsecure.
…and fortunately, it's still irrelevant.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#296 - 2012-08-30 15:14:56 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I mean that moving to a different newbie system means you are leaving the security you so desire


Flying in a ship with 600k-700k EHP in hisec is clearly unsecure.

If you're flying such a ship you're clearly not a rookie entitled protection. Stop being obtuse.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#297 - 2012-08-30 15:18:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The simple fact remains: veldspar isn't desired


There is a special place in hell reserved for people who say that.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#298 - 2012-08-30 15:19:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I mean that moving to a different newbie system means you are leaving the security you so desire


Flying in a ship with 600k-700k EHP in hisec is clearly unsecure.

If you're flying such a ship you're clearly not a rookie entitled protection. Stop being obtuse.


My point exactly.

Drop wants all rookie systems to be off-limits for pvp and he thinks that system can't be exploited by anyone.

I'm not against off-limits part but I'm just questioning "can't be exploited" part.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#299 - 2012-08-30 15:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mr Epeen wrote:
There is a special place in hell reserved for idiots like me
Don't worry, you can still be redeemed by not acting like a complete ********. Roll

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Drop wants all rookie systems to be off-limits for pvp and he thinks that system can't be exploited by anyone.
…and you haven't been able to demonstrate how it would be. Brick Proteuses and Damnations certainly don't exploit the security and, if anything, only show how small an increase it would be.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#300 - 2012-08-30 15:22:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
There is a special place in hell reserved for idiots like me
Don't worry, you can still be redeemed by not acting like a complete ********. Roll


I'm not the one that said Veldspar wasn't desirable.

'nuff said.

Mr Epeen Cool