EVE General Discussion

You get kicked out of Rookie Help channel when your character reaches age of 30 days.

You see 1 day old character in those systems who acts like he/she doesn't know what to do. Is that a rookie? Most likely.
You see someone in those systems in a battleship and full T2 fit. Is that a rookie? No.
You see 3 year old character in those systems mining in Hulk. Is that a rookie? Most definitely not.

So you're saying that all characters in Rookie Help are protected? Well, Ok. But wait, we can't see who's in rookie chat because not every character under 30d old belongs to an account under 30d old, and we can't see account age. So that doesn't work. Even if we could see account age, that's rife for abuse.


Or are you saying that in order to do any PvP in Hek (since that's on the Epic Arc list where GMs have been enforcing newbie protections (as you suggest they should)), you have to scan your opponent's ship, determine how old their account is, decide "is this guy in a rookie fit" (so that any rookie who peruses Battleclinic gets stripped of their protections), etc, etc before shooting?


You have three examples there. One is probably (what about Alts?) on the rookie side of the line, 2 are on the non-rookie side of the line. All three are a fair distance away from the line. To make a consistent rule, you're going to have to point to where a rookie turns into a non-rookie.


Isn't it simpler to just say "Hey, the rule is don't mess with anybody in Rookie systems"? And if the GMs want to list Hek as a rookie system, well...

Maybe for you it's not important, but some of the older players are getting tired of watching you shooting week old rookies.

Why it is so important for you to be able to shoot week old rookies in Arnon with assault ship or command ship?

Actually it would make it easier if the systems were out of bounds for pvp with an easy to read sign like those for incursions so people know automatically.

Which means that messing with other people in rookie systems is allowed, which means that you're going to have to define what a rookie is and is not or the rule is ineffective and needlessly vague.

Good job on your reading comprehension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox

So a 1 day old in a rookie ship is a Newbie.

A 2 year old in a Hulk is not.


You've got 729 days and 300m ISK in between to put the line. Sounds totally clear cut.

So, I'll ask again, since you're insisting on a rule that requires defining what a Rookie is, Define "Rookie".

So far, you've got "Not a Hulk," which isn't a very good definition.

It's important for everyone because without that clear distinction, rookies will remain unsafe and old players will have too much wiggle-room to abuse.

Why is it so important for you that this wiggle-room and lack of clarity remains?
For one, that's not entirely accurate.
For another, define “rookie”.

Ever thought about how, if the rules were clear, there would be no concern about whether what you think corresponds to what the GMs. What you think has already shown to be wrong (as with everything you write), so you've quite nicely demonstrated that it's not actually something we should be left to think about…

In other words, the official rules are increasingly unclear.

Why is it so important for you that this wiggle-room and lack of clarity remains?

The part where they don't define newbies.
The part where the protected systems do not match the list of the protected systems.

…oh, and how they can claim that the rule is “don't mess with newbies” when we are, in fact, allowed to mess with newbies.

Why is it so important for you that this wiggle-room and lack of clarity remains?

Because I don't make the rules. This is not a personal policy discussion, this is a rule discussion. If you keep insisting that the proper rule is "Don't mess with Rookies in Rookie systams," you have to define "Rookie" if you want to effectively provide protection.

Why is it that you're so insistent that the rules remain vague, unprotective, and impossible to see before breaking?