EVE General Discussion

I'd love to go walking around an abandoned mining outpost or a sleeper station, more specifically the data sanctuary or the oruze construct. Why, you ask? Because I've spent about 70 percent of my eve career wanting to walk around a station, and becoming familiar with the lore. I think it would be interesting to see what some places actually look like.

Also addendum: Your statement is a fallacy in that its saying, "my gameplay is the only legitimate gameplay and eve should cater to me". Look at my EVE start date. This character was created significantly before any plans were even rumored to exist for incarna/WiS. Some of the rest of us have been around so long that being able to walk around and do stuff out of capsule would be a welcome change of pace.

No-one, not myself, not oldbutfeelingyoung, not anyone, needs to justify it to anyone else, especially you.

Multiplayer social enviroments need to happen. They need to happen pretty much because ship spinning isn't something everyone enjoys doing (though I do it sometimes) and if during those moments of downtime where you're not doing much else, it would be nice to be able to get out of my ship and go hang out somewhere. There are plenty of purely social channels in EVE where groups of people gather to share information and generally talk to each other. Why NOT give them a common space within incarna? Is there a single, legitimate reason as to how it detracts from the game, if done well? I can't find one.

How about instead of demanding a reason from us, you defend your own stance on it, because as of -right now-, 'EVE IS JUST SPACESHIPS ALL THE TIME!!!!11!!!11!! NO SOCIAL EVER!!!11!!!!' is old and overused.

Also, I'm pretty sure you're an alt. Try posting on your main, please?

Some people may want too and who are you to tell people how they should play. Hell you probably like getting in a blob with a pile of sweaty guys.

Why yes I do but I can set no-chatter and I don't have to smell them. The main difference is the purpose for getting into a blob.

Said it before feel like saying it again, ambulation is a great idea, just don't force me out of the game because it's mandatory and it's graphics requirements are so high it lags and overheats my computer unless I run it on some ugly looking low setting. I admit when I see people asking for more of a CQ demo environment that only runs at 20fps for me with a single character in it I get worried. I start to wonder how WIS would run with fifty or more people in the same environment, and if someday sooner or later I might be pushed out of this game after months of paying my monthly fee and training up a character just because I can't afford to buy a new gaming computer to keep up with a new mandatory gameplay element. When I think about that I wonder if I should even spend my money in the first place, and that depresses me because I really like this game.

I mean I keep on repeating that phrase and you guys keep on writing out walls of text which can be tl;dr as literally a bunch of dudes emoting each other.

Tell me how you are going to fix power creep or even anything with useless avatars and enthusiastic emoting.

If I can't make isk or inflict isk loss it's meaningless.
And before you bring up and whine about v3 textures, nebulae and new effects they differ in
1. they add to existing gameplay don't tell me you don't enjoy them.
2. seem to be rolling out in a timely fashion has a good result per resource ratio. is actually 'doable'

Look if wis was easy, and TA have all their concepts ready, full of murder profit and fun activities hells yeah release it I would eat my words and get my freak on wit yall.

I find that texting, or even talking on the phone to be a less personal experience. Especially in business, I alway prefer to speak face to face. Avatars add a sense of visual personality, otherwise, what would be the point of even the old avatars? They add personalization to the experience. Personalization creates a sense of ownership. Ownership is a buzzword in a sense, but what it means is that it allows the player to feel closer to said object emotionally.

Our avatars are really objects. Bit of code running on computers. But i don't see a bit of code when I look at your avatar. I see how you have chosen to represent yourself. And that speaks emotionally, which conveys lots of information that I may not even be completely aware of consciously. It is a very dense (high bandwidth) communication method.

Its why we all dress differently. We all have our own sense of self, and we project that sense of self onto the objects that are important to us. Otherwise, why would be bother? Why would we paint a room blue, rather than white, or another color. It fills an emotional rather than logical need to our psyke. And games are about psychology and culture.

From a mechanical perspective. more avatar functionality opens up new modes of plays that can be explored. The most simple would be a bar or meeting room that allows players to occupy the same space, move around freely and communicate on a different level than is currently possible in game. Simple examples is the silly thing that happens in MMOs that have a /dance emote is that you see players dancing all the time. When they are bored or just want some playful chatter, they start using the dance emote. Jumping is another common passtime, the expresses playfulness and excitement. Simple emote allow players to express more than just what the text on thier screen says. So, yes, emoting is important, despite some players minimization of it in arguments about WiS.

All of that is the basic functionality of a ground combat system. you can't have hostile ship or station boarding without functional avatars and spaces to move them in. And some potential players may not be intrigued by ships, but there is certainly a lot of players that like pointing guns at other players and shooting. So you got dust players that cross over into the space game that wouldn't otherwise. It is also a prerequisite for dust players to crossover at all mechanically, while still maintaining their avatars identity. Which should be an important feature.

Players are always asking to personalize the look of their ships. Why is that? They have the avatar pictures? The ships are our other avatars as well. Remember this bit about ownership above? The more you let a player own their experience, the more they will feel connected to the experience that eve offers, and that a good thing. Happy players, happy game, happy community.

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And before any decides to write off this touchy feelly emotional crap. Just know that every single human plays to fulfill an emotional, rather than logical needs. While it is true from an objective viewpoint that games are essentially learning tools and it is simply a requirement for a healthy brain function, it also true that just about any time you are playing, you could probably be doing something more "obectively" productive. So, the better explanation for playing is the same reason you bothered posting. Games, just like the vast majority of communications, are an emotional experience.

Its clear Ghazu isn't interested in saying anything of worth so now just plainly blocking Ghazu outright, but yeah, I think thats possibly one of the best well put points of the entire purpose of it. Matriarch.

Oh ok, I just hate internet shrinks.

There were enough discussions about WIS recently, first starting of good ,until the same troll remarks are made and you ask now to be specific ?

i guess you do some EvE -search and you see that enough good reasons for WIS were discussed.