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Why Hi-sec agens give Low-sec missions?

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#21 - 2012-08-27 17:53:53 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
This doesn't solve the actual problem.


It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem.

But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-08-27 18:06:34 UTC
Roime wrote:
But not as much as running missions does.

not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.'

I should buy an Ishtar.

Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#23 - 2012-08-27 19:10:58 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
This doesn't solve the actual problem.


It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem.


Forget about me.

Why hisec agents give lowsec missions?

Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions.
So, what's the point if people decline them?


Zhilia Mann wrote:
But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary.

I did all kinds of PvP for past 6 years, it bores me to hell now.
I know exactly what can happend in lowsec, so no thanks, I wouldn't waste my time there.

Whatever.

Zycorax II
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#24 - 2012-08-28 06:31:05 UTC
iirc security agents will send you to a system within the same constellation, so if there's a low sec system within said constellation, there is a chance that you will be sent there.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-08-28 06:49:56 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:

Why hisec agents give lowsec missions?

Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions.
So, what's the point if people decline them?



The easiest answer? Because it is programmed that way. Agents are programmed in such a way that if you are near a lowsec area you may get a mission there.

Why doesn't CCP change it?

I would venture to guess that since they have put in a vast number of agents, a player has the choice of picking an agent that will be in proximity to lowsec OR an agent completely safe from giving out a lowsec mission.

Im sure if they wanted to they could reprogram the agents to never give out lowsec missions. But I think most players would agree this would be an extreme low priority given all of the other issues present in the game.
Leor Duku
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-08-28 11:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Leor Duku
Funky Lazers wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
This doesn't solve the actual problem.


It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem.


Forget about me.

Why hisec agents give lowsec missions?

Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions.
So, what's the point if people decline them?


Zhilia Mann wrote:
But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary.

I did all kinds of PvP for past 6 years, it bores me to hell now.
I know exactly what can happend in lowsec, so no thanks, I wouldn't waste my time there.




What you'll find is that I don't decline them, and I like the risk sometimes of going to low-sec to do a mission.

Also on a similar note I sometimes decline the Faction Kill missions because I don't want to take the faction standing hit. Please CCP take these missions away!!!
What's the point if people decline them?

Cool
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-08-28 16:49:32 UTC
Agents will send you to a pool of nearby system to maintain a balance load on the server. If you find yourself having to run missions often several systems away, and even into low sec, then you are likely in a high load area. Find some place else that is cozy enough for you that meets your required tastes. No one is forcing you to run missions at your current location other than yourself.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

Veryez
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#28 - 2012-08-28 21:31:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Veryez
Funky Lazers wrote:
It bothers me a lot.
I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions.
So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system?
I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship.

So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent.
Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try.
Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time?
Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char.

Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones?


So many unhelpful answers here, let me try to help you.

1) It is very rare for an agent to give you kill missions outside the constellation you are in. Find an agent in a constellation without losec.

2) Second find a system that is within a jump or two of other lvl 4 agents, preferably agents of different factions. The 4 hour wait for non-faction missions becomes an non-issue.

This use to not be a big problem since the agent mission pool use to give you missions in heavily populated systems before lower populated systems, then they 'fixed' this problem. I think CCP wants to weed out the stupid people by seeing if they will fly an expensively setup PvE ship into Losec, you obviously didn't fall for their 'plan'.

I completely agree flying a PVE setup ship into losec is (in general) not a very smart idea (even a simple t2 one). I also have a real problem with the fact that so many lvl 5 missions are faction missions. It ruins the ability to trade through empire, because the teamwork required for lvl 5 missions makes them far more interesting. If you want to kill other factions and/or collect tags, that should be done through Faction warfare, non-FW agents should stick to pirates, this would be a nice boost to both groups. CCP had a real chance to boost FW without nerfing missions, but as usual chose the pedantic solution.

Missions are a means to an end, whether it's to help you get a plex, or fund other activities. As such CCP really doesn't care about 'problems' with their PvE system (perhaps they do care, but the priority is most likely pretty low). Implementing Soundwave's idea to make them more of a grind seems foolish, but what do you expect from a person who doesn't spend much time in empire. Of course this is from the man who has stated a nerf to all income is coming.....
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#29 - 2012-08-29 17:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nuela
Funky Lazers wrote:
Roime wrote:

Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen.


PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement.


QFT...except for the 'no longer'.

Eve is a good game. I play it often. However, it is not a good PvP game in the way I play PvP. I get my PvP fix elsewhere, mainly WWIIOnline and Blood Bowl.

Eve *IS* a good PvP game for some folks...but Eve PvP is not what many people think of as PvP. Eve PvP is about using your skills to find a group of like minded individuals to go out and find fights that you will not lose at..and that involves partially what Funky has said above. In Eve, fights are almost always won before the fight starts.

I have found I don't like that kind of PvP. I like PvP where the targets/action are numerous and the playing field is fair so that tactics/strategy on the field of matter is what mainly decides the winner of the contest. Eve is not that. Eve PvP is boring.

Why do I play Eve then? The economy. I am a sucker for economic games and there is no other comparable to Eve. However, the reason Eve does have an economy is because of the PvP I don't like...I just wish Eve had more PvP where what happens on the field matters more than the before the fight.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#30 - 2012-08-29 18:09:01 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
This doesn't solve the actual problem.


Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ...
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#31 - 2012-08-29 21:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Funky Lazers
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
This doesn't solve the actual problem.


Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ...


I don't care about rewards.
I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0.
I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them.

All I care is about having fun.
I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff.
Those two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3.
For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions.

As for PvP, I don't care about it because it's about numbers and ganking, instead of real skills and tactics.
Oh and tons of waiting, as I said before.

Doing missions is much better/more fun because I can get into action literally 50 times faster than waiting on someone to gank or die from.
So this useless system of getting lowsec missions by a hisec agent ruins everything and not logical.
Day ago I asked old corp members that do PvE, about declining lowsec and faction missions, the answer was the only one: they decline them.
So what's the point of that system?! Reciving lowsec mission doesn't increase the reward of it because the agent who gives it is located in hisec.

Whatever.

Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-08-30 00:15:15 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
This doesn't solve the actual problem.



if you mission near a low sec system you will end up in low sec sooner or later.
Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-08-30 00:16:46 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
This doesn't solve the actual problem.


Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ...


I don't care about rewards.
I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0.
I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them.

All I care is about having fun.
I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff.
Those two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3.
For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions.

As for PvP, I don't care about it because it's about numbers and ganking, instead of real skills and tactics.
Oh and tons of waiting, as I said before.

Doing missions is much better/more fun because I can get into action literally 50 times faster than waiting on someone to gank or die from.
So this useless system of getting lowsec missions by a hisec agent ruins everything and not logical.
Day ago I asked old corp members that do PvE, about declining lowsec and faction missions, the answer was the only one: they decline them.
So what's the point of that system?! Reciving lowsec mission doesn't increase the reward of it because the agent who gives it is located in hisec.



just move regions!!

THE END
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-30 01:08:57 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:

I don't care about rewards.
I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0.
I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them.


Then you really have no excuse not to get off your lazy @$$ and find a better mission area.

Funky Lazers wrote:
All I care is about having fun.
I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff.
Those two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3.
For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions.


There are plenty of areas with great views. Many with the same nebulae you already enjoy. I had a place when I used to run missions with 2 lvl 4 agents in the same station. Worked great.

Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
#35 - 2012-09-02 11:26:03 UTC
protip: you can even decline missions within those four hours. you only lose about 0.02% of faction standing declining those (quitting is another story...)

i have 9.2 faction standing and even i can decline 3 missions until it goes down 0.1...

the reason we all land at these agents is this: mostly they are 0.5 systems and simply pay out the most :P
Martin0
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-09-02 11:44:31 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
[quote=Funky Lazers]This doesn't solve the actual problem.


I don't care about rewards.
I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0.
I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them.



If you don't know how to spend your billions send some to me Big smile

It's true that most of eve pvp is ganking, but have you ever tryed to fight in militia plexes?
Lots of 1vs1 and gf to be had.
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#37 - 2012-09-02 20:12:06 UTC
Martin0 wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
[quote=Funky Lazers]This doesn't solve the actual problem.


I don't care about rewards.
I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0.
I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them.



It's true that most of eve pvp is ganking, but have you ever tryed to fight in militia plexes?
Lots of 1vs1 and gf to be had.


For past 6 years I tried/did almost everything (PvP mostly) that you can do in EvE, except mining.

I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is.
Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance.
Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship.
Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly.

This balance leads you to do PvP with people.
Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff.

I guess I'll stick up to missions.

Whatever.

Michael Orlais
Cornucopia Ltd.
#38 - 2012-09-02 21:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Orlais
For as little as 200mil you can easily fit a fast clearing lvl 4 mission ship. Nobody said you have to use your 3 bil Paladin or whatever.

If you do missions in 0.5 you are getting the highest quality missions while still having your little safety net of CONCORD. So I see no reason why the game should not try to push you into 0.4 once in a while. It is an intentional move by CCP to make missions are run this way and I doubt they are going to change anything just because you are afraid to lose your 3 bil ship.

If it really bothers you that just much, there is a decline button which should not be a problem for anyone with a decent standing.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#39 - 2012-09-03 14:35:25 UTC


When I used to mission run this used to gripe me so I was going to post in support of the OP.

Then OP said he wouldn't even mission run in a 100K ship because PVP MIGHT HAPPEN.

Seriously? If Low Sec offered me L4 mission income and I could run them in a 100K ship I'd do it all day, if I was blown up I'd be like "lol ***" and get a new ship.

What I'm trying to say is: Posting in a stealth whine about how bad I am at PvP thread

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#40 - 2012-09-03 21:25:38 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
Roime wrote:
Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec?

Just an idea.


Bad idea.

Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec.
Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP.
Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP.

As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time:
Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time.
Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake.

No one gives me an extra candy for flying there.


Every ship in Eve is a pvp ship once it undocks. Whether a ship is better at fight or flight is another issue.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

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