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At what point is a fleet considered a blob?
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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#21 - 2012-08-29 14:54:38 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
It's only a blob if you lose.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-08-29 14:55:07 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
Whenever someone is out numbered they try to make themselves feel better by labelling the enemy as dishonourable blobbers.


The only way to have a curb stomb battle is to have a really big boot and a really tall curb. Since when has this game ever been about honorable combat.

I say use whatever is an appropriate level of force to achieve victory. Appropriate however is in the eye of the beholder. Twisted
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Khorkrak
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2012-08-29 14:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Khorkrak
Alright I've adjusted the criteria. Took a few moments to find an alliance on the board with enough recent blobbery to show a decent sized pie wedge.

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Hopefully somewhat objective though despite the stream of responses indicating it's simply a subjective and derogatory term. Still think it's useful to a glance see how an entity gets its kills.

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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#24 - 2012-08-29 15:02:06 UTC
To everyone saying "It's only a blob if you lose":

Wrong. I'm perfectly happy to blob people and win. Pirate

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Frying Doom
#25 - 2012-08-29 15:03:16 UTC
The fleet size I am in +1

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#26 - 2012-08-29 15:06:21 UTC
Blobs are relative. They are simply larger-than normal but disorganized (in discipline, experience, composition, or any combination thereof), which relies on simply having more members in order to win, rather than on actual competence of individual pilots. People typically accuse blobbing when they encounter what feels like a disproportionate response -- and especially when that disproportionate response is completely ineffective.

For example, If you take a 2-3 man assault frigate gang into Providence, the response will be a 20 man BC and T2 cruiser blob that will fail to catch you in the most hilarious ways possible. However, if you take a 20 man BC gang into Provi and you get the same response from them, that is not blobbing.

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Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
DEEP-13
#27 - 2012-08-29 15:11:07 UTC
This is a blob:

http://maximsmadness.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/the_blob_paul_taylor_05.jpg

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#28 - 2012-08-29 15:18:25 UTC
According to your metric, i.am blobbing if I bring a fleet of 30 to kill a pos, station, or other sov related structure. That seems to he a conservative definition of a blob. And RvB combat cam easily hit 35 vs 35 man fleets.

I would argue that you need to have small, medium, and large fleets.
Medium should be what you define as large. Large would be 30-50, blob would be 50+. This would cover larger fleet engages, without throwing blob at every fight.

Heck, how many squads are the max allowed in a wing? Wouldn't a blob have to be larger than a two wing fleet?
Khorkrak
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-08-29 15:23:25 UTC
Thanks Lady - your point is well taken and I think most likely I'll go with it. I like the relative blob definition more however there isn't enough info in the kill mails to solve that equation - i.e. ratio of one side vs the other.

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-08-29 15:36:08 UTC
It becomes a blob when you have superior numbers that make your enemy go home crying with his tail between his legs and resorts to calling you a blob because they can't muster the same numbers as you.

FC, what do?
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-08-29 15:59:37 UTC
just cut "blob" idea entirely, it isn't a number, it is a complain
Too-Boku
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-08-29 16:06:03 UTC
256 is a full fleet. It should also be noted that: when fleet warped- it makes a nice blue blob. Smile
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#33 - 2012-08-29 16:16:12 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
It's only a blob if you lose.


Not empty quoting.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#34 - 2012-08-29 16:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
N+1, where N = the number of ships you brought.

edit: I'm of the mind that it becomes a blob when it starts acting like a blob. Whether you've got 20 ships or 200, if your tactic is "orbit anchor and shoot primary" to the point that everyone is essentially just a pawn for the FC, you've become a blob.

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Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-29 16:37:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
It's a blob when you lose.


Yup... The second a member of the opposing fleet is but hurt.

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Quaaid
Phoenix Foundry
#36 - 2012-08-29 16:51:43 UTC
I could respond in a few ways:

(Fat Joke) A fleet becomes a blob when it is in USTZ.
(Meme) A fleet becomes a blob when it has Falcon.
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-08-29 16:54:43 UTC
When it is big, gooey and sticky. Usually in a primary colour and yellow, though purple is not uncommon either. Also very commonly found in Japanese RPG's as a common enemy. More widely known as "slime".
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-08-29 16:56:51 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Blob = Where you've brought more people than I have.



so 2+ then Shocked
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#39 - 2012-08-29 16:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Blobs are relative. They are simply larger-than normal but disorganized (in discipline, experience, composition, or any combination thereof), which relies on simply having more members in order to win, rather than on actual competence of individual pilots. People typically accuse blobbing when they encounter what feels like a disproportionate response -- and especially when that disproportionate response is completely ineffective.

For example, If you take a 2-3 man assault frigate gang into Providence, the response will be a 20 man BC and T2 cruiser blob that will fail to catch you in the most hilarious ways possible. However, if you take a 20 man BC gang into Provi and you get the same response from them, that is not blobbing.


This is a good response. I've always claimed that you're blobbing when you're bringing enough people and ships that there's nobody in the target region that can possibly fight you. I believe that blobbing is a fantastic idea in fleet PVP and sov wars, but that doesn't make it fun. :)

-Liang

Ed: A couple of days ago we brought a couple of T1 frigs and a Thrasher to fight a Loki. It was foolish of us even before he jumped in 20 BCs/Recons/Logis. That's blobbing. But that same 20 people going to raid a null sec home system would not be a blob. I'd attempt to calculate "blobbing" from how many people were on each side of a fight. But really, even that's not indicative because not everyone may be on the killmails.

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Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#40 - 2012-08-29 18:15:20 UTC
Obviously if its bigger than your fleet and you lose the engagement.