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[Recording] Wormhole Townhall With CSM Two Step

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Pell Helix
Aether Ventures
#1 - 2012-08-28 04:47:35 UTC
Two Step invited everyone onto AHARM's Mumble to discuss the state of W-Space. He did a Q&A and answered everyone's questions to the best of his ability.


http://soundcloud.com/haha-15/wormhole-townhall-with-csm-two
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#2 - 2012-08-28 08:42:56 UTC
And best of all, no one was a complete idiot about asking questions.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-28 20:23:51 UTC
thanks for recording, couldnt get my sound to work :(
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-28 23:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Just going to say that forcing caps to be moored and not stored is a bad idea.
It gives out totally free intel which is not what WHs are about.

Also, i really hate the idea of being able to steal offline POSs.
ive left offline POSs around deliberately for very good reasons on several occasions. (and no, not for moon coverage.)
it needs to at lease have a 30 timer on it or something.

There is no Bob.

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Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club
#5 - 2012-08-29 00:32:48 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Just going to say that forcing caps to be moored and not stored is a bad idea.
It gives out totally free intel which is not what WHs are about.



There are plenty of morons who like leave their capital floating the pos.
kapolov
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-08-29 01:07:37 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
And best of all, no one was a complete idiot about asking questions.



^ This. Next time boot the people that don't get that they can't continually ask questions without using the chat.

And i will hate a little less on Two Step after this, i think he listened and answered the best he could. Even if he didn't agree with stuff he has said he is prepared to listen to the views and put them forward if enough people want them. So start eve mailing him your views people, don't ***** later.

Can we get this meeting advertised next time, there was a lot of Alliance representation but not a lot of small corps there as far as i am aware.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-29 07:17:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Pink Marshmellow wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Just going to say that forcing caps to be moored and not stored is a bad idea.
It gives out totally free intel which is not what WHs are about.



There are plenty of morons who like leave their capital floating the pos.


yes, and thats their choice.
if they want to talk in local too while theyre at it, that's also fine by me.
but forcing people to do something that is currently considered stupid is, well, stupid.

There is no Bob.

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#8 - 2012-08-29 07:36:40 UTC
I miss my forcefield already Sad

No trolling please
Swordfingers
The Swollen Horse Society
#9 - 2012-08-29 09:35:42 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Pink Marshmellow wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Just going to say that forcing caps to be moored and not stored is a bad idea.
It gives out totally free intel which is not what WHs are about.



There are plenty of morons who like leave their capital floating the pos.


yes, and thats their choice.
if they want to talk in local too while theyre at it, that's also fine by me.
but forcing people to do something that is currently considered stupid is, well, stupid.

No one is forcing you. You can log out your cap with a sitter alt.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#10 - 2012-08-29 11:54:16 UTC
kapolov wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
And best of all, no one was a complete idiot about asking questions.



^ This. Next time boot the people that don't get that they can't continually ask questions without using the chat.

And i will hate a little less on Two Step after this, i think he listened and answered the best he could. Even if he didn't agree with stuff he has said he is prepared to listen to the views and put them forward if enough people want them. So start eve mailing him your views people, don't ***** later.

Can we get this meeting advertised next time, there was a lot of Alliance representation but not a lot of small corps there as far as i am aware.



Yeah, the next one will be advertised a lot more widely, I just wanted to test the format with a smaller group first.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-08-29 13:08:15 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
I miss my forcefield already Sad


same...
i honestly think removing them will ruin POSs.
it's going to make it almost impossible to escape from a POS under attack for starters.

There is no Bob.

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#12 - 2012-08-29 13:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
I don`t know about that, Jack. I think this is one of those situation that you first have to see what is throw at you.
I like the pos system and I`m not as grumpy about it as most of dwellers are. In fact I Don`t have any real complains about the pos system at is currently state. But I will like to see what is proposed in the new system, at least to see if there is going to be any basic mechanics changes or if they are going to add up some new mechanics, and not just for Wspace. (They kind of got me when they said that you could ensamble starbases togheter. LEGO FTW)

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Thallius O'Quinn
The Suicide Kings
Deepwater Hooligans
#13 - 2012-08-29 13:33:10 UTC
Any chance for a download? I don't see one on soundcloud, but I'd like to listen to this on my way in to work.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#14 - 2012-08-29 15:05:40 UTC
Weakening lower class pos's seems like a bad idea to me because as Bane already stated, it is very easy to bring numbers into near k-space systems, therefore weakening the pos towers will only empower the larger entities currently in w-space, not to mention all the K-space folks that might want a piece of the pie if the new pos structures end up being more squishy.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#15 - 2012-08-29 16:31:56 UTC
I'm also somewhat worried about this idea of the removal of force fields, especially considering that the actual alternative for them seems to be somewhat vague and still in the "wait and see" level of development. I'm also completely confused why CCP is unwilling to explain why force fields have to go. If theres a logical reason for their removal, why not say? Ever since i moved into wh-space i've complained about the burden of POS security and general rubbishness, but does the solution need to be this drastic? What happens to my current POS, and all the ships currently stored? What about all the guns? I realise these ideas are still in development, but there seems to be alot of factors that need to be nailed down. From what i've heard, im starting to think perhaps its better to stick with the current broken system. But i will continue to look at the ideas for changes in the hope that it will develop into a better system.

Whilst i agree with Two-Step that station games won't be a big issue considering that they're will be POS guns present, (no-one comes near a POS unless they are looking to bash it) this makes attacking them alot easier. If you are under siege, people will be unable to escape, and as yet i've not heard a solution to this.

Making scanning easier seems a bit silly, especially considering people are complaining that they can't find POS', where you can find them with no probes what-so-ever. Compared to the old-school scanning, current scanning is ridiculously easy! Making it even easier seems to be a step in the wrong direction imo. Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
bluen0te
Jazz Associates
#16 - 2012-08-29 20:29:13 UTC
As someone who has lived in wormholes from the very beginning I think it would be an enormous error to weaken posses in the lower class wormholes. Firstly this is not a problem screaming for a solution. Who finds it difficult to evict or attack posses in the lower category wormholes? Why would anyone want to weaken the situation for dwellers in, say, a class 2 or 3 which is likely to have easier access to high or lowsec? Pos takedowns can usually be finished with bombers when the guns and ewar are taken out. I would suggest the mechanics are totally different in the larger wormholes where cap access is possible through the wormhole statics. Changing the pos dynamics for cat 2 and 3 wormholes would damage the finely balanced pvp dynamics existing across wormholes.

What worries me about the wormhole pos discussion is the focus on change driven by people who don't spend a lot of time in wormholes. I love living in wormholes. Its the only reason I play the game. I don't want local. I don't want cap ships jumping into lower cat worholes. I dont want to have to scan for posses when I can find them easily without dropping probes at the moment. Many, many wormhole dwellers have found a new lease of life through wormhole pvp and I consider it the highest form of eve pvp currently available. It ain't broke. Please don't try to 'fix' it.
Fradle
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2012-08-30 04:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Fradle
There's going to need to be some give and take. And what it seems to me is that alot of people aren't willing to give anything. Even though this could potentially solve the problem of having ships self destructed in POS bubbles in front of our faces... it could solve alot of problems but people only see the negatives.

Cmon people, we're wormholers. We adapt to any problem that's brought in front of us and we tell people to HTFU and learn to play EVE. We'll adapt to how it is without forcefields, if that's the direction they choose to go.

Honestly if it makes it harder to escape POS's while under attack... GOOD! You shouldn't be able to easily get away if I'm sieging you.
Frying Doom
#18 - 2012-08-30 07:31:16 UTC
With modular designed POS systems force fields really had to go and some of the ideas like armor repair units sounded kind of cool.

As to limiting the size of a POS anywhere, why? I mean yeah if someone has a monster POS in a C1 it will suck to bring down but at the same time that person or those poeple are paying for the upkeep of a monster POS.

Artificial limits anywhere like that or limiting the size allowed for different class worm holes is just stupid. As it grows so does the bill so if you want to pay 10 bill a month in fueling cost so be it, you should be allowed.

It would mean that people would have huge POSs in their base systems and it would also occur in null and in lo-sec where people wanted a permanent home and where willing to pay for it.

Besides the limiting comment on C1-C4 Whs the comment I didn't like was when he stated that people want a bigger POS for their corp and then an even bigger one for their Alliance. Now this in its self is good I should be able to change ownership from personal to corp and then the corp should be able to change it to an alliance asset but the POS structure should not contain anything where in order to use that module you HAVE to make it a corp or Alliance asset.

Hell if I am paying for it I should easily be able to choose who I want to be able to use it whether that be corp mates, alliance guys or just people I have set to blue.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#19 - 2012-08-30 11:11:32 UTC
I´m starting to think that If you do not "nerf" low end WH poses (The fuel limit proposed by ccp sounded more solid, natural balance), make walking the stations optional and a docking ring big enough that lets you undock and warp out without being locked, then ppl wouldnt complain.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
kapolov
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-08-30 11:47:42 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
I´m starting to think that If you do not "nerf" low end WH poses (The fuel limit proposed by ccp sounded more solid, natural balance), make walking the stations optional and a docking ring big enough that lets you undock and warp out without being locked, then ppl wouldnt complain.



This has to be your only post i could ever agree with.

If they accepted this then we could get off the whole complaining arguments and get onto the great ideas part of this debate like being able to dock and be able to see dscan and allow others outside to dscan and see you while your docked.

Then we could develop ideas that we want CCP to implement to benefit us WH people and not just argue over what we want them not to do to us.
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