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Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-08-28 12:07:44 UTC
You started your appearance here with such promise and depth of thought, Mister Oliver. I am pained to see that you have forsaken them so quickly and turned instead to simple provocation, instigation and petulance.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-08-28 13:32:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
Captain Urthel Drengist,

The point I made early wasn't a snipe. I belonged to a proselytizing, deeply committed anarchist group for two years. I have some familiarity with the positions you're arguing. A reason why you may profit from taking a look at those, admittedly older, arguments is just get a feel for the terrain and the players.

The point you make about direct democracy and not having centralized political structures is well made but can only happen if security becomes everyone responsibility? Anyway that's the way I see it.

((You may be entertained by this fictionalised account of an interview I had with scope about my view of the concerns of an anarchist group operating in the cluster))
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#83 - 2012-08-28 13:53:48 UTC
I am going to withdraw from this debate from this point. Mr. Drengist has his theories, and his ideas, and says that they are the correct ones, and that he can prove it. Based on our discussion in the summit last evening, I am content to simply wait and see what form his experiment will take, and what the results of it are, whatever they may be. I would honestly quite like to be proven wrong here.

Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
Urthel Drengist
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-08-28 14:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Urthel Drengist
Evet Morrel wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Captain Drengist;

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I think I get the gist of your argument but will have to apologize up-front: I do poorly with political sciences. I would like to ask a follow-up question, if I may.

lol

Captain Drengist,

The background of most here is connected to the military (or a political class, or industry connected with the arms trade). For most that's a professional voluntary army. In other words highly unstable and prone to elite capture. It's an arrangement that depends firstly upon a population wanting others to fight their wars/provide security for them, for money. Creating a small well trained, well paid, well supplied group that 'will follow the orders' of an elected, or appointed leadership, usually. A group who for are comfortable with collateral damage, who are able to kill and send other to their deaths without compunction. What kind of personality traits would make an individual ideally suited to such a role do you think?

You see you couldn't hope to find a more specialized group trained killers to convince of this idea. You may want to search the eve database for discussion in which Jade Constantine or the Cosmopolite take part. (seach criteria The Star Fraction).



Ms Morrel,

My apologies for the late response. I hope you are not offended.

Your first bit of the question is something that i really have not thought about so much. But then again i am not really understanding your question? Are you in general asking me what kind of traits are making someone ideal for a military career in general or in Anarchy?

As for your
Evet Morrel wrote:
Captain Urthel Drengist,

The point I made early wasn't a snipe. I belonged a proselytizing, deeply committed anarchist group for two years. I have some familiarity with the positions you're arguing. A reason why you may profit from taking a look at those, admittedly older arguments, is just get a feel for the terrain and the players.

The point you make about direct democracy and not having centralized political structures is well made but can only happen if security becomes everyone responsibility? Anyway that's the way I see it.

((You may be entertained by this fictionalised account of an interview I had with a scope about my view of the concerns of an anarchist group operating in the cluster))


Any political system is actually happening as you put it if everyone is responsible for its security. Its just that there are those who excel at security and security is their life and purpose and those who are not. But overall anyone loving the political system he/she is into needs to be concerned with its security. Its just that within an Anarchist system as you are well aware being able to give a vote truthfully and with full Knowledge and understanding is equal to defending and fighting a physical war.

That is why the most patriotic nations are the most hard to beat and be penetrated.

Please elaborate more on your questions and where you wish to get to, because i fail to ''see'' and understand to what specifically you are referring to.

In addition i will gladly read your interview.

Saede Riordan wrote:
am going to withdraw from this debate from this point. Mr. Drengist has his theories, and his ideas, and says that they are the correct ones, and that he can prove it. Based on our discussion in the summit last evening, I am content to simply wait and see what form his experiment will take, and what the results of it are, whatever they may be. I would honestly quite like to be proven wrong here.


Hopefully you will be part of this experiment as well. And i thank you again for the debate, it is an honor to debate with such a good listener and great mind.

Urthel Drengist

C.E.O and Founder of Drengist Intergalactic Liberal Enterprises Ltd. [L.I.D.E.L ] 
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#85 - 2012-08-28 14:45:24 UTC
Captain Drengist;

I will also be retiring from this conversation. Not that I am disinterested! It has simply moved beyond my level of comprehension. I'm glad to hear that you're considering an experiment in the political system, and look forward to seeing the ensuing paper. Thank you for the lovely debate, and best of luck in your studies!
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#86 - 2012-08-28 15:43:45 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Infomorph Nikilaiki Ruutarhara wrote:
Paul Oliver:

Only, we two know what you said. At the very least, you and I know. You have proven to me what kind of individual you are, and that is far more important than you saving face after the fact. You prove why such dreams as those presented here are impractical at best.
And you have proven that you like to make claims without accurate evidence to back them up, something I thought was frowned upon within Caldari society. I have not saved face after any fact, and unless you can provide accurate evidence to the contrary I suggest you refrain from calling a Gallentean a racist.


I don't think you understand what words mean, Ollie.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-08-28 16:53:45 UTC
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Infomorph Nikilaiki Ruutarhara wrote:
Paul Oliver:

Only, we two know what you said. At the very least, you and I know. You have proven to me what kind of individual you are, and that is far more important than you saving face after the fact. You prove why such dreams as those presented here are impractical at best.
And you have proven that you like to make claims without accurate evidence to back them up, something I thought was frowned upon within Caldari society. I have not saved face after any fact, and unless you can provide accurate evidence to the contrary I suggest you refrain from calling a Gallentean a racist.


I don't think you understand what words mean, Ollie.

Not sure what ya mean there Rhiannon, last I checked words are a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that function as a principal carrier of meaning. Roll
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-08-28 17:09:47 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
You started your appearance here with such promise and depth of thought, Mister Oliver. I am pained to see that you have forsaken them so quickly and turned instead to simple provocation, instigation and petulance.
I find that funny coming from someone else who also seems to enjoy the art of twisting definitions to suit their argument. But think what you will, honestly I've yet to see you speak words on anything I've found of value, "Mr. Amith".

The Minmatar are that way "sir", better go save them from that pesky flaw of thinking for themselves before it's too late.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-08-28 17:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
Scherezad wrote:
Captain Drengist;

I will also be retiring from this conversation. Not that I am disinterested! It has simply moved beyond my level of comprehension. I'm glad to hear that you're considering an experiment in the political system, and look forward to seeing the ensuing paper. Thank you for the lovely debate, and best of luck in your studies!


Sorry to hear that I thought you had some very interesting and provocative, not to mention entertaining, things to say. I agree, attempting to discuss a range of political outlooks as diverse as those listed by the OP is next to impossible without recourse to concrete examples.

Captain Drengist, no not at all offended and I didn't ask a question I made a rhetorical point.
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#90 - 2012-08-28 17:54:04 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Infomorph Nikilaiki Ruutarhara wrote:
Paul Oliver:

Only, we two know what you said. At the very least, you and I know. You have proven to me what kind of individual you are, and that is far more important than you saving face after the fact. You prove why such dreams as those presented here are impractical at best.
And you have proven that you like to make claims without accurate evidence to back them up, something I thought was frowned upon within Caldari society. I have not saved face after any fact, and unless you can provide accurate evidence to the contrary I suggest you refrain from calling a Gallentean a racist.


I don't think you understand what words mean, Ollie.

Not sure what ya mean there Rhiannon, last I checked words are a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that function as a principal carrier of meaning. Roll


And yet you continue to not understand what racism or hypocrisy or irony means. You are the least introspective person I have ever seen.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-08-28 17:58:24 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
I find that funny coming from someone else who also seems to enjoy the art of twisting definitions to suit their argument. But think what you will, honestly I've yet to see you speak words on anything I've found of value, "Mr. Amith".

The Minmatar are that way "sir", better go save them from that pesky flaw of thinking for themselves before it's too late.


I will take the bait, only because I have nothing to fear from doing so.

Demonstrate to me where I have twisted the definition of anything to suit an argument I have made, I make this request in sincerity.

I am completely ignoring your attempted jab, it is both ignorant and petulant.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-08-28 18:12:21 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
I find that funny coming from someone else who also seems to enjoy the art of twisting definitions to suit their argument. But think what you will, honestly I've yet to see you speak words on anything I've found of value, "Mr. Amith".

The Minmatar are that way "sir", better go save them from that pesky flaw of thinking for themselves before it's too late.


I will take the bait, only because I have nothing to fear from doing so.

Demonstrate to me where I have twisted the definition of anything to suit an argument I have made, I make this request in sincerity.

I am completely ignoring your attempted jab, it is both ignorant and petulant.

Which is why I'm not going to bother going back through the mountains of submissions in previous feeds to provide you that example. If any of the many Matari folk you've had discourse with feel the need to do so they're more than welcome to.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#93 - 2012-08-28 18:15:55 UTC
"Provide evidence for your assertions."
"No! U!"
"Okay then. Please answer to this other person's proof that you are speaking with a mouth full of dung."
"Oppressor!"
"Provide evidence for that assertion."
"No! U!"

And so it goes, on and on.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-08-28 18:16:17 UTC
So, you're refusing to provide substantiation to your allegations against me because I'm refusing to respond to your childish attempt at provocation? Well done!

You are correct on one thing, we really have no further reason to speak with one another. Enjoy spewing your particular brand of filth all over these discussions.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-08-28 18:17:46 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
So, you're refusing to provide substantiation to your allegations against me because I'm refusing to respond to your childish attempt at provocation? Well done!

You are correct on one thing, we really have no further reason to speak with one another. Enjoy spewing your particular brand of filth all over these discussions.

yea yea see ya around old fart. P
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).