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mkint
#21 - 2011-10-14 01:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
Jewdus wrote:
mkint wrote:
bad idea is still bad

Salvage drones would make the noctis obsolete. They would even go a long way to make missioning obsolete. Salvage drones might be okay if:
-velocity and cycle times comparable to a T1 mining drone, and the 'access difficulty bonus' of a T1 salvager but does not gain any bonuses from any skills modules rigs or implants whatsoever.
-it is a T2 drone with a target cost of about 1 mil each. Perhaps make it a "composite" drone, requiring a T2 mining drone, a T2 salvager and T2 salvage rigs to build.
-it requires the skills that it's composite parts require, plus advanced drone interfacing 5.
-they can be shot down freely without otherwise needing aggro rights.

If you're gonna make a suck-ass new drone, make it suck ass appropriately.



no need for a t2 version i am talking turn a t1 miner in to a salvager thats it no super savagers of DOOM

You don't get it... it IS a T2 drone (as in requires an ass-load of skills, costs a lot, and uses T2 materials to build.) It should still perform as poorly as an unbonused T1 salvager, and fly as poorly as a T1 mining drone. I'm saying they should suck. They should suck and be expensive. They should suck, be expensive, and die without summoning concord or granting aggro rights. And they should be heavy drone sized.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#22 - 2011-10-14 02:06:59 UTC
the drones on the data base are tech 1 and there are no tech 2 versions.

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Jewdus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-10-14 02:07:12 UTC
wow so you want them to be handy caped and useless
iam saying t1 or t2 make them as functional as a slavager theres plenty of place they would come in handy and they would not make a noctis useless since they would drop to your hold give noctis a drone bay

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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#24 - 2011-10-14 02:08:12 UTC
This is the the main reason why you wont get salvage drones: Noctis.

Why would they bring in a ship like the Noctis and then later something else that does the exact same thing? I don't know, sometimes you just have to sit and shake your head at the things people say.

Aren't tractor beams fast enough?
If I had to guess, I would say its just because you're lazy. I bet you imagine that you'll just let them go and watch them clear the field of wrecks without pressing a single button. I think that's the main reason you want them.
Jewdus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-14 02:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jewdus
lazy has nothing to do with it, you'd still have to loot wrecks and once again there are places were its to dangerous to risk a noctis have 2 ,3 salvage drones on your BS or BC when your out. and from personal exp the noctis sucks when your trying to blitz thorough lvl 3-4 missions with a large group of people you need 2-3 of them to keep pace. leave to people to take something to the extreme because its not what they would do. if you enjoy runing back and forth to change ships or wating on the noctis to catch up then groovey. this not a replacement for a noctis since at most your be able to use 5 at once on a Bs or BC and you have to have space for salvage those less ammo (unless your amarr) it all ready has its trade offs

and i looked they were planed to be T1 drones

and NO THERE BLOODY NOT FAST ENOUGH ITS NEVER FAST ENOUGH

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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#26 - 2011-10-14 02:31:16 UTC
You didn't answer this: Why would they bring in a ship like the Noctis and then later something else that does the exact same thing?

Plus, just how fast do you think those drones are going to be? You think you wont be sitting around waiting for them?
1. fly to a wreck.
2. salvage which takes a bit of time sometimes.
3. fly back to you to drop off the stuff.

So all that taken into account I'd say only the place you don't want to risk taking a noctis is the only reason why you'd use them and I'd rather have drones for added dps (to help with frigates) than salvage. If you say "i'd have drones for dps and drones for salvage" then you'd still be waiting around at the end waiting for the drones to collect the stuff.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#27 - 2011-10-14 02:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
A lot of that stuff is still in the database. Looking at it is kind of a hobby within a hobby for me. If you go to the following link in-game you will see that the items on this page (my favorites) link to ShowInfo, so you can still pull up the descriptions and details about these items because they are still in the EvE database: http://gogela.com/eve/odd.php

The skill "Salvage Drone Operation" still exists... CCP would just need to balance it and allow our use of it. I think Salvage drones in a near term sense would be doable...


mkint wrote:
Jewdus wrote:
mkint wrote:
bad idea is still bad

Salvage drones would make the noctis obsolete. They would even go a long way to make missioning obsolete. Salvage drones might be okay if:
-velocity and cycle times comparable to a T1 mining drone, and the 'access difficulty bonus' of a T1 salvager but does not gain any bonuses from any skills modules rigs or implants whatsoever.
-it is a T2 drone with a target cost of about 1 mil each. Perhaps make it a "composite" drone, requiring a T2 mining drone, a T2 salvager and T2 salvage rigs to build.
-it requires the skills that it's composite parts require, plus advanced drone interfacing 5.
-they can be shot down freely without otherwise needing aggro rights.

If you're gonna make a suck-ass new drone, make it suck ass appropriately.



no need for a t2 version i am talking turn a t1 miner in to a salvager thats it no super savagers of DOOM

You don't get it... it IS a T2 drone (as in requires an ass-load of skills, costs a lot, and uses T2 materials to build.) It should still perform as poorly as an unbonused T1 salvager, and fly as poorly as a T1 mining drone. I'm saying they should suck. They should suck and be expensive. They should suck, be expensive, and die without summoning concord or granting aggro rights. And they should be heavy drone sized.


Well... maybe the Noctis should ALSO be able to field 10 salvage drones... that would make it the uber salvage monster I feel it was meant to be....

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Jewdus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-10-14 02:40:58 UTC
if thats the only place you wouldnt take a noctis your missing alot of eve,
and if thats your argument then you should be able to only fit salvagers on a noctis. drone would not replace a noctis
your thinking way to much into this iam talking simple drones to help out yes you still be waiting on them so what and as far as your dps vs salavger comment i take it you solo alot . its no diffrent then haveing your suport ships with the 30 other drones to clean up behind you. and in large scale engagements a noctis is nothing more then another target unless its cloacked and sitting off i the sidelines.

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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#29 - 2011-10-14 02:43:21 UTC

Just seems like they'd be as useful as mining drones. Why waste the resources?

And shouldn't this be in F&I? I'll ask.

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Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#30 - 2011-10-14 03:00:58 UTC
They might be useful for some people. My opinion is just that I wouldn't use them much if at all.
I wouldn't take a Noctis into a place where it could be a target tho. I usually keep the noctis a gate behind or they can enter once all the rats have aggro. But I guess if i was in lowsec and didn't want to take a dessie, they'd be alright.
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-10-14 05:40:56 UTC
YEs !! more drones please !! sepecially make them techie 2 things or juicy faction drones mmmmm sisters of eve meta 4 salvage drones .... drooooooooooools slluuuuurp. yumm
Sturmwolke
#32 - 2011-10-14 06:09:18 UTC
Salvage drones (if implemented) can serve a niche where it serves as an alternative to the tractor + salvager combo.
There's plenty of scenarios where this trait is desirable, saving you the need to swap for a dedicated salvage fit.

Obviously, you'd need to balance it so that it's not better than a tractor + salvager combo.
Its main strength will be convenience, not isk/hr.
Jewdus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-10-14 06:32:59 UTC
Strum Your the man ^5

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Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#34 - 2011-10-14 07:21:47 UTC
It would hurt my Baby, Don't Leave the Noctis Behind xD

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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-10-14 08:15:26 UTC
why would you pay for a salvaging alt if you could just use drones?

(marauders are a different matter - they require a pretty steep skill investment upfront, salvage drones would presumably accessible to a much larger fraction of players=
mogwai
Gremlin Mining and Exploration
#36 - 2011-10-14 08:55:54 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
they actually had the salvage drone skill in the game at one time. This was removed some time ago and the skill points reimbursed.


correction....
I still have salvage drone operation at level 5.

CCP removed the skill, but with the outcry, put it back and allowed people to train it to lvl5 even though it doesnt do anything.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#37 - 2011-10-14 10:50:50 UTC
Moved from General Discussion.

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Kasperow
Starside Industries
#38 - 2011-10-16 20:25:47 UTC
Jewdus wrote:
mkint wrote:
bad idea is still bad

Salvage drones would make the noctis obsolete. They would even go a long way to make missioning obsolete. Salvage drones might be okay if:
-velocity and cycle times comparable to a T1 mining drone, and the 'access difficulty bonus' of a T1 salvager but does not gain any bonuses from any skills modules rigs or implants whatsoever.
-it is a T2 drone with a target cost of about 1 mil each. Perhaps make it a "composite" drone, requiring a T2 mining drone, a T2 salvager and T2 salvage rigs to build.
-it requires the skills that it's composite parts require, plus advanced drone interfacing 5.
-they can be shot down freely without otherwise needing aggro rights.

If you're gonna make a suck-ass new drone, make it suck ass appropriately.



no need for a t2 version i am talking turn a t1 miner in to a salvager thats it no super savagers of DOOM

So you're basically saying they would just be an alternate variety of T2 Mining Drones, based on the Mining Drone I, but with a different purpose, or am I misunderstanding something here?
Jewdus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-10-24 03:53:48 UTC
THats the idea

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