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A 150 hour subscription model?

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#41 - 2012-08-27 18:21:28 UTC
There's no need to be mean. It's just an idea, not a threat.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#42 - 2012-08-27 18:22:51 UTC
I only have one question OP: what are you trying to fix?

This doesn't seem to do anything except make those who play more than x number fo hours have to pay more (btw, for those who are below the legal job age during summer vacation, 150 hours of EVE is less than a week).
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#43 - 2012-08-27 18:33:33 UTC
Hi,

his/her idea not far from CCP+CSM, as you can see in the 2011 December CSM Summit meeting minutes on page 29, although not the same:
"One idea that came up was a micro-PLEX (not Aurum), for example allowing the option to break down PLEX 30 micro-PLEXes which could in turn allow you to pay subscription for one day, 10 days or 30 days in addition to spending it on vanity items. Micro-PLEX might also possibly be convertible back into PLEX, though there was some debate as to whether this was a good idea. Then the option of trading micro-PLEX for ISK would be the most obvious solution. While nothing was decided, discussion received positively by both parties."

As it seems CCP is (or at least was) open for shorter subscription periods.

Regards
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#44 - 2012-08-27 18:42:07 UTC
Vorll Minaaran wrote:

As it seems CCP is (or at least was) open for shorter subscription periods.


This isn't the same idea though. Its a far cry from "you can use a micro plex for a week or 35 hours, which ever comes first".

CCP's micro plex, like 15 days. its cute and all, yet its still 15 days. not less in pure hours as the OP would want.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#45 - 2012-08-27 18:45:12 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

And everyone would still pick the 30 day option, so...

No.

No, it would not introduce a soft-limit on anything, as people would still pick the 30 day option for skill training. It would also be pretty awful if you were in the middle of a fun fight & all of a sudden your gametime expired. This is easily one of the worst ideas I've ever seen.


Aw. Mallak, please try to get your head around this. It's not a choice that the user picks mate, and yes, 150 hours *is* yonks. It wasn't long ago that France decided to abolish the 35 hour work week. That's about 150 hours per month mate. That's WORK: you know, the time that isn't consumed by sleeping, eating, a bit of telly and some 'hunt the banana'. Trust me, 150 hours on a video game would be fine for everyone (that wasn't RMTing).



Summer Holidays, Winter Holidays, any holidays, disabled people who don't work, old people who are retired.

Your "idea" would destroy EVE within a year. Considering EVE is one of very few monthly subscription games that is still growing, albeit slowly, while most others are going f2p, the only thing your inane idea would achieve would be a rapid and abysmal death for this game. No one is going to pay to play by the hour just because you don't like AFK cloakers.

Ban OP, gas thread.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-08-27 18:56:12 UTC
Cristl wrote:
This has high-octane flame potential. Please give it a proper read before popping the safeties. Cheers :)

What if the subscription model was changed from units of '30 days' to units of '30 days or 150 hours logged-on time, whichever elapses first' ?

If you think about it, 150 hours must cover almost all of the people who play Eve 'normally' (responses to a recent thread certainly suggested it would). An average of 5 hours each and every day for a month (or equivalent) is pretty lengthy play. Besides, if you're exceeding 150 hours a month and earning, say, 10 million ISK an hour, then you cover several PLEXs handsomely anyway.

I think this would introduce a soft limit to how much benefit someone can get from AFK behaviour and therefore addresses quite a few issues such as Domis in COSMOS plexes, major AFK mining operations etc., but also as-yet undiscovered methods. And no policing of the system would be required at all.

You'd need to allow players to select options along the lines of: “if I don't do anything for 30 minutes please log me off” and maybe AFK cloakers would need something too, but otherwise it seems like it would curb (or at least tax) excessive bot-like behaviour.

What do you think?


ROFL...wait did this moron just say that he wants CCP to charge me more if I play more than 150 hours? That's a joke right? Yeah you'll screw over those few characters that afk full time but you **** everyone who plays the game more than you do.

on another note,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTfl0kfPI4M <--- here is a fire, please die in it immediately.

The LULZ Boat.

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#47 - 2012-08-27 18:58:40 UTC
Should probably mention "in game" with that threat.

Also passing out while playing Eve would become a lot more costly.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Landrae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-08-27 19:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Landrae
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-08-27 19:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hauling Hal
You are paying for the ability to access the servers when you wish to during your subscription period, you are not specifically paying for the time you actually do access them.

p.s.After running this game for over 8 years, CCP probably know more about account payment mechanisms than random posters on forums.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-08-27 19:50:17 UTC
Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.

If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math.
Cristl
#51 - 2012-08-27 20:09:44 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.

If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math.


No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment.

thanks, bye!
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#52 - 2012-08-27 20:12:01 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.

If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math.


No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment.

thanks, bye!


Yet you are suggesting that we should get less than what we are already paying.
Cristl
#53 - 2012-08-27 20:36:53 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Cristl wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.

If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math.


No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment.

thanks, bye!


Yet you are suggesting that we should get less than what we are already paying.


No I'm not. Not unless you play more than 150 hours a month.

Do you play more than 150 hours a month Roll Sizzle B? Even after my "first 30-min is free" discount and "no timer in stations" discount?

I bet you dont. Also, I bet way over 90% of the people here don't. But that's just us Beefy. You know, I could really use a nice well-toned industrious boy like you around the place. You up for that beefy-weeffy?

*owww...chicka chicka..pow wow... Oh yeah....!

Night folks! See ya later!
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#54 - 2012-08-27 20:54:30 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Cristl wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.

If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math.


No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment.

thanks, bye!


Yet you are suggesting that we should get less than what we are already paying.


No I'm not. Not unless you play more than 150 hours a month.

Do you play more than 150 hours a month Roll Sizzle B? Even after my "first 30-min is free" discount and "no timer in stations" discount?

I bet you dont. Also, I bet way over 90% of the people here don't. But that's just us Beefy. You know, I could really use a nice well-toned industrious boy like you around the place. You up for that beefy-weeffy?

*owww...chicka chicka..pow wow... Oh yeah....!

Night folks! See ya later!



Just because you seem to have missed what I said earlier, here it is again;

Summer Holidays, Winter Holidays, any holidays, disabled people who don't work, old people who are retired.

Hopefully it is clear enough now. In all the above instances, people can and do play more than 150 hours a month. Even those with jobs. Your "idea" would curtail peoples play time during their holiday periods, not to mention disabled or retired people on lower incomes, unless of course they wanted to pay even more for the privilege of playing.

And calling people knob-ends just proves you are the poorest of trolls.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Barrak
The Painted Ones
#55 - 2012-08-27 21:13:48 UTC
So..... and not to be to 'flamey', you'd be happy for players to make billions worth of ISK on the back of a single 30 day value subscription?

Indy types, traders and PI, in SOME cases, do not require substantial 'online' time, thus I could subscribe a single account for whatever the going rate for a monthly subscription is now and then log in for 1hr a day and make ISK.............
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#56 - 2012-08-27 21:28:39 UTC
Cristl wrote:
No I'm not. Not unless you play more than 150 hours a month.

Do you play more than 150 hours a month Roll Sizzle B? Even after my "first 30-min is free" discount and "no timer in stations" discount?

I bet you dont. Also, I bet way over 90% of the people here don't. But that's just us Beefy. You know, I could really use a nice well-toned industrious boy like you around the place. You up for that beefy-weeffy?

*owww...chicka chicka..pow wow... Oh yeah....!

Night folks! See ya later!


I could, and I have.
I work full time yet I get 4 days off a week.
10 hour days of semi afk behavior for the majority of the time.
Is that afk cloaked in nul making people parinoid? no.
Its guarding exits in wormholes and keep track of incoming and outgoing traffic, or scouting lowsec routes to pull in more fuel. Much of this takes tons of time with no immediate profit.
You are suggesting we get less than what we pay for currently. it's math. Doesn't matter what you think the majority might do on average yet its our option and right to play the game for as many hours as we would like within a month.
This shouldn't be calculated some some vague isk/hr ratio as depending on how you play you may always be dirt poor, or you make more money than you know what to do with.

Instead of this poorly thought out idea. Why not think of new mechanics that do the same exact function. Give Cloaks a 3600s activation that cant be auto cycled. Change mining grids daily like scan sites, or large sites with different ore locations which would likely be Ring mining. Can old static DED sites or make the rewards for killing those specific ships acquire diminishing returns so you cant blap them all day in Domies.

If you are indeed serious about trying to stop specific behaviors, quit trying to ram a square peg into a round hole.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-08-27 21:51:57 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Cristl wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.

If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math.


No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment.

thanks, bye!


Yet you are suggesting that we should get less than what we are already paying.


No I'm not. Not unless you play more than 150 hours a month.

Do you play more than 150 hours a month Roll Sizzle B? Even after my "first 30-min is free" discount and "no timer in stations" discount?

I bet you dont. Also, I bet way over 90% of the people here don't. But that's just us Beefy. You know, I could really use a nice well-toned industrious boy like you around the place. You up for that beefy-weeffy?

*owww...chicka chicka..pow wow... Oh yeah....!

Night folks! See ya later!


Just because you don't play more than 150 hours a month doesn't mean you aren't getting less than you previously payed for. I play that easy and most of that is moving stuff or watching pipelines while moving/using shinnies. If I pay 15$ a month for unlimited access and then that gets changed to 150 hours for 15$ I'm still losing time regardless of whether you use it or not, you are losing time you payed for. Please go back to high school and ask you old math teacher to explain the concept again as you obviously weren't paying attention the first time 15$/30 days doens't = 15$/150 hours. It doesn't even come close.

Also posting in a stealth cloaky whine thread.

The LULZ Boat.

Landrae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-08-27 22:31:10 UTC
10/10 on your troll post OP.

Successful troll is successful.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-08-28 01:54:48 UTC
Not sure if srs

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-08-28 05:05:50 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

And everyone would still pick the 30 day option, so...

No.

No, it would not introduce a soft-limit on anything, as people would still pick the 30 day option for skill training. It would also be pretty awful if you were in the middle of a fun fight & all of a sudden your gametime expired. This is easily one of the worst ideas I've ever seen.


Aw. Mallak, please try to get your head around this. It's not a choice that the user picks mate, and yes, 150 hours *is* yonks. It wasn't long ago that France decided to abolish the 35 hour work week. That's about 150 hours per month mate. That's WORK: you know, the time that isn't consumed by sleeping, eating, a bit of telly and some 'hunt the banana'. Trust me, 150 hours on a video game would be fine for everyone (that wasn't RMTing).


One thinks it is you that does not understand the point you were trying to make. I play about 30 hours a month these days & still wouldn't pick the 150 hour option, because losing training time & market orders wouldn't compliment my play style. And yes, you did bring it across as a choice that the user picks, so back-tracking doesn't bring you any credibility at this point.

Your idea, if serious, is a terrible idea. No one would use it & it would lower CCP potential income per month which is never a good choice from a business standpoint.

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