Wormholes

I've been introduced to WH space for about a month now and loving it. There are some things that even now I would definately *not* want to change.

In regards to the benefit of docking, personally, the 'absence' of those benefits is what makes WH space challenging. There is more to WH space than just No-Local and fluxuating entries. Difficult logistics promote corp cooperation and planning. The logistical challenges and minimalist atmosphere are exactly what gives WH space its pioneer/dangerous/risky feeling. Something that Eve lost sometime ago after all the galaxies 'regions' were all conquered and occupied. Lets NOT make WH space into just a small variation of Null Sec.

Another way of looking at it is that, as it stands now, WH's as they are now most closely represents "Ridley Scott Aliens" style of Sci-fi IMHO, pioneers far from 'civilization'. K-space is more and more resembaling a "George Lucas Star Wars: Attack of the Clones" style of universe with mega-empires, superhubs, overcrowded traderoutes, and easily/readily accessible 'civilization' at all times.

I would say that its important to keep WH space as logistically challenging as it is now. Markets, Clone bays, Contracts, etc should *NOT* be instituted. If a player wants those things, go to Null Sec.

*IF* those things are instituted in POS, then they should be restricted to Null-sec/Low-sec, POSs, with WH POS's left alone.
yk

Not to pick on your post, it's only that I have read this far.

I think we need to be careful else we will be viewed as the people that want their cake and to eat it......... which, whilst there is no problem wanting it that way, the reality is somewhere different.

So far I have read claims that we live on the edge of existences, in the furthest reaches of space etc etc, however then I read that we want perfect refining, we want perfect research facilities.......... well, to me that sounds like 'cake and eat it' time.

1. I'm not suggesting that these facilities are not available at all.... but perhaps they should be available at a very high cost. If you want perfect refining then its going to cost a metric ton of CPU/Power, this could be reduced through skills training (or no training and stick with what you have). It could even be at a point where you need L5 training to even fit it with nothing else. This would clearly need to be balanced with having defensive mods up too.......

2. How about scanning arrays to allow for perfect detection of mass and time remaining on HOME (STRICTLY) wormholes.

3. The usual and highlight listed things already - T3 fitting, packaging etc

4.

Perhaps with this setup it could be a case of piloted ships are 'moored' whereas unpiloted ships are towed and stored (ie not moored or on grig).

5.

IF, and I really hope not, station games make it into WH space, then I can't beleive that your own corp station wouldn't allow you to dock if you were aggressed.

6. On the point of 'stations', even if no one has said they will be here..... I still can't quite grasp how living on the edges of the known universe it would be acceptable to build a fully fledged staiton.

The more I read through this thread the greater the realisation is that this change isn't about Wormhole life, it's about POS changes in nullsec and despite the percentage growth of wormhole dwellers (numbers aren't that impressive though), we will get what Null get. Some suggestions may be incorporated, but if it goes to Null, it'll come to Wormholes.

We form such a small percentage of EvE players, it doesn't matter how loud we shout. All I think we can manage is getting some nice things in the change rather than trying to stop the change.


I'll finish reading the thread now and find answers to why my suggestions are terrible now :)

Regards

Barrak

Wait, so what you're saying is that there are more POSes taken down in C1 systems than in C6 systems? But.. but.. you can't bring Dreads into a C1! You can't even bring Battleships into a C1! It just doesn't make sense!

It sounds like C1 w-space is more dangerous to live in than C6 w-space. Maybe C6 space should be nerfed, and support for large towers taken out, so that it's easier for smaller groups to siege C6 towers. It looks like small groups are already able to siege C1 towers just fine.

Offlined vs onlined? well defended vs not? etc.

Funny that you read it that way. I read it like this "the risk of getting a POS destroyed are twice as high in a C6 than a C1, in spite of the much more advanced logistics needed for the attackers and the fact they had to use 50% more manpower"

a better thing to look at is the POSs killed per system.
in this case it's double in C6s than C1s.

Actually, you are not correct, technically or not. There are 348 C1 systems. I'd say that 3 times the number of c1s does qualify as "way less". Pretty sure he is the best kind of correct.

I'm not 100% sure the best way to figure out how many of those POSes were offline as well. I suppose I could look for pos mods that die shortly after the towers or something.

Way to elaborate...

And without cap fleets to do it, how do they get by........

Having personally experienced life in both c5's and C2's, I can say that C2s tend to be far more populated. However, the quality of those occupations tends to be fairly poor. What I mean by this is one or two towers, ****** pos defenses, and typically small corps. Having smashed quite a few C2's, I can tell you what the most annoying thing is when it comes time to siege one:

Jams. Since we can't rely on capitals to lay waste to these pos's (and avoiding ECM while in siege mode), we have to rely on regular BS/T3 fleets with logi support for bashing. That means the jams more or less kill your dps, making the bashing a hell of a grind. If all they did was nerf the jams or limit the number you can put on a pos, bashing would happen a lot more often, in my opinion