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Why do you fight for the Factions?

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-27 03:01:31 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Perhaps the longest superiority complex induced hyperbole rant I've ever seen.
wow... I'm actually quite speechless, my brain is still recoiling from this pretentious wall of patriotism I just read. I'm curious though why you felt the need to preface this by quoting me, it doesn't really seem like doing so added anything to your overall point.

I wasn't sure about writing anything at first, but It's just blowing my mind a bit how someone can write such a long winded yarn of propaganda with so many points that seem as if (atleast to me) they are describing the Federation, yet somehow spin it to exalt (what I perceive as) an authoritarian corporate police state. I guess that's just the nature of propaganda.

I will say though that after reading this and looking back at some of my own past submissions I feel as if the preverbial mirror has been held up in front of me. For that I thank you and in the future I hope to avoid making these kind of long winded orations myself. Oops
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-08-27 03:23:14 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
I will say though that after reading this and looking back at some of my own past submissions I feel as if the preverbial mirror has been held up in front of me. For that I thank you and in the future I hope to avoid making these kind of long winded orations myself. Oops


I would say Mr. Oliver, that you should take it one step further and contribute to the decency and intelligence of a discussion by not submitting your ignorant and vapid thoughts at all.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-08-27 03:48:11 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I would say Mr. Oliver, that you should take it one step further and contribute to the decency and intelligence of a discussion by not submitting your ignorant and vapid thoughts at all.
Yeah I would expect someone like you to say that. Which is why when I heard this it made me think of you (and the Caldari State in general).

enjoy Lol
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
zacharia Mindu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-27 03:55:15 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I would say Mr. Oliver, that you should take it one step further and contribute to the decency and intelligence of a discussion by not submitting your ignorant and vapid thoughts at all.
Yeah I would expect someone like you to say that. Which is why when I heard this it made me think of you (and the Caldari State in general).

enjoy Lol

Only a gallentian like yourself would find this garbage.

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." -The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10

Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#25 - 2012-08-27 04:11:57 UTC
You're fighting for the roar of the crowd, the lure of the prize money, or the sheer pleasure of killing. If any of you believe you're fighting an actual war with an achievable end goal, you're fooling yourselves. You're athletes in a rotten game of bloodsport and glory, and that is all you are.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-08-27 04:32:05 UTC
Natalcya Katla wrote:
You're fighting for the roar of the crowd, the lure of the prize money, or the sheer pleasure of killing. If any of you believe you're fighting an actual war with an achievable end goal, you're fooling yourselves. You're athletes in a rotten game of bloodsport and glory, and that is all you are.
We are not your kind of peeeeop...... hehe sorry umm yea I've noticed how a lot of civilians seem to consider capsuleers as being something akin to athletes playing a game..... and I agree that all this conflict has been going on for sooo many generations now that all the diatribe we spout does seem just a wee bit cliche at times, but despite that the issues of religious indoctrination/presecution, slavery, and collectivism vs egalitarianism are very real ones on so many levels and I for one am glad we have this summit to voice our opinions. Blink
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#27 - 2012-08-27 05:20:13 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
We are not your kind of peeeeop...... hehe sorry umm yea I've noticed how a lot of civilians seem to consider capsuleers as being something akin to athletes playing a game..... and I agree that all this conflict has been going on for sooo many generations now that all the diatribe we spout does seem just a wee bit cliche at times, but despite that the issues of religious indoctrination/presecution, slavery, and collectivism vs egalitarianism are very real ones on so many levels and I for one am glad we have this summit to voice our opinions. Blink


I think you misunderstand me, Captain. The game I am referring to is this so-called war. It has not been going on for generations. Not yet, anyway.

Moreover, it has done and will continue to do nothing to resolve any of the issues you mention. It is simply not designed to be able to do so. It makes all the ideological difference of a kendu league. Now, I don't like kendu either, but at least the violence surrounding that sport is usually confined to certain bars and salons in Syndicate, as far as I'm aware. The scoring system in kendu isn't based on killing people either, or on menacing entire regions of space, or on playing whimsical tag with the formal ownership of star systems.

So if you want to play a sport, I suggest playing kendu, or something like it. Where your pretensions of patriotic duty (which is one element sports seem to have in common, strangely enough) don't actually harm anyone. If you want to do anything about those issues you mentioned, on the other hand, I would suggest a different approach entirely. Like ferrying relief packages on behalf of the SoE. Something like that.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-08-27 05:38:40 UTC
Well said maam, you have given me pause to consider the impact system wide capsuleer fighting and the effect of back and forth sovereignty changes has on the planetary citizenry affected by these power games. And yet at the same time I can't help but think about all those remote border systems in the Black Rise region that the Caldari attempt to lay claim to, and the Federal Defense Union's duty to protect them.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#29 - 2012-08-27 12:16:43 UTC
If I may, you're all fighting to feed a machine larger and more important than any of your respective causes. It doesn't matter what victories you achieve, what conquests you commit, or frankly what side you're on, so long as all sides continue to fight.

Or, more directly, you all fight to make men like me very, very rich.
Tetony
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-08-27 14:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetony
Paul Oliver, Esan Vartesa speaks a truth, hope Bother the old Empires are falling.

Masters and the nomenklatura everywhere seek stomachs for their meat. The bankers, arms dealers, slavers, brokers, bloated ticks on the carcass of a dying leviathan.

The tube children are strong but orphaned. Obedience is their inheritance. They question nothing. Do these gladiators want sore ears? No, they are not brought up to it. They have a little of everything is which is nothing in the main. They have the arena, and the forge. Their barren matrons like Sarracenia open at scent of blood. Strength is the younger brother of Lust, it is Respect that is related to Love.

They say freedom is a lie, but men lie. How could they not wish to silence you, their envious hearts fetter themselves. Brother it is harder to catch a lizard with a harp than a net. Their strength, the hope of the bonded man in Heth, will crumble and the old ways return.

We have work to do at home, we have poverty and corruption. We have human trafficking, drugs and lechery, but only because the citizen still has something worth stealing, and we may speak of these thing and in that they is hope.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-08-27 16:13:10 UTC
Tetony wrote:
They say freedom is a lie, but men lie. How could they not wish to silence you, their envious hearts fetter themselves. Brother it is harder to catch a lizard with a harp than a net. Their strength, the hope of the bonded man in Heth, will crumble and the old ways return.
Well said sir, which is why we who value freedom and individual liberties must remain diligent and continue the good fight until all are free.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Emile Belfleur
Solar Zouaves
#32 - 2012-08-27 20:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Emile Belfleur
Paul Oliver wrote:
And yet at the same time I can't help but think about all those remote border systems in the Black Rise region that the Caldari attempt to lay claim to, and the Federal Defense Union's duty to protect them.


Are you dizzy, Oliver? That region was settled by the Caldari in the first place! As far as I'm aware, it's almost exclusively inhabited by Caldari citizens. And you want to protect them from the Caldari?

The only sound reason any Federal Militia officer should have to traipse about in Black Rise, is to put enough pressre on the Caldari to convince them into withdrawing their detestable Titan from what is actually our space. After that, if there's any sense in anybody at all, we can return to pre-war borders, dismantle the stargates that connect our two empires, and get happily on with the business of never seeing or speaking to each other again.

Instead of spending so much effort on protecting the enemy from themselves, Oliver, I suggest you focus on protecting us from them.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-08-27 22:12:38 UTC
Emile Belfleur wrote:
Are you dizzy, Oliver? That region was settled by the Caldari in the first place! As far as I'm aware, it's almost exclusively inhabited by Caldari citizens. And you want to protect them from the Caldari?

Yea sorry about that, my source was a little unclear concerning the sovereignty data coming out of the Black Rise region ((those pink circles are really hard to read when you're drunk, so yea I guess I was a wee bit dizzy lol)).

Emile Belfleur wrote:
Instead of spending so much effort on protecting the enemy from themselves, Oliver, I suggest you focus on protecting us from them.
Yes sir. o7
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Tetony
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-08-27 22:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetony
The sinews of war Paul Oliver, a key military and industrial power base for the Patriots, it is often claimed. Black rise is a volatile farrago, and the Federation’s history there is not one on which I like to dwell, but many Gallentean NGOs operate in the region. It is a fact that Gallente and Intaki regularly migrate from Placid, additional there are exiled communities with which we are in contact. We may be required to honour our commitments on request.
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