Missions & Complexes

I see that there is currently an NPC Angel NULL SEC space Incursion. Since NPC space like lo sec doesn't allow anyone to claim SOV there I wonder why the revenant BPC doesn't drop there too? I mean everyone wants to fly a gigantic space turd correct ( except the space rich CSM )?

Then that makes you overtly full of **** for pretending to not understand the mechanics.

You are not a community, you are a fleet within the community. I have certainly run against ISN fleets with 14 and 15 pilots in VG's, contesting sites when there were open sites.



I ran incursions daily till they nerfed VG's and still run assaults and HQ's for fun, not ISK per hour as missions tend to pay more these days. I paid direct attention to the main topic, as I am in TVP daily. I don't care if some people from TVP fly with ISN, most people in that fleet don't like ISN and complain about them daily. You try to paint me as an outsider looking in but you aren't in the channel in question, so YOU go back to WoW with your JR. High level logic.

Now I'm hurt.



14 and 15 pilots? Don't make me laugh. And yes, we're contesting sites when there are open sites. That's because ISN is all about the ISK/hr. But it's still not griefing.



Yes, many people in TVP complain about ISN, but the problem is they don't know anything about ISN. They just repeat what other people have said. And many in TVP are very gullible.

Done a few before the Escalation nerf not really any afterwards TBH... when I saw 3 lo/null incursions I would zoom out & do a scoutso Icould get the Concord liberation message but I have not seen lo/null Incursion liberation message since before the Escalation patch.
You make a good point though I'm thinking with the OTAs no longer being the PITA they were over the summer lo/NULL Incursions are worth it again. Epecially since in lo now you easily know if you are in a congested FW system from looking at the UI.

An agreement that lessens strife between various communities is generally a good idea and if the various groups can find leaders who speak for them to agree to rules of behavior, well and good.

But what give you the right or authority to dictate terms to everyone else in EVE? If any other group for whatever reason (the incursion is in their home constellation, they have the numbers and experience to try it now, just to try something new and get a cool video, etc.) to tell them its not their turn and they need to wait until you find its the best time for you?

That's like saying that only the 'cool' kids (by your own definition of course) are the only one who can play on the swing set on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, then graciously allowing everyone else to play on them on Thursday, before starting all over again.

I know for sure that when incursions come to my constellation, I want it gone as soon as possible and would participate with whoever could make it go away the fastest. Shield fleet, Armor fleet, DPS or Logi, doesn't matter to me.

No on community owns eve (at least in hi-sec) , proposing an agreement that assumes you do is bound to fail.

I have little doubt that this agreement will be fully embraced by all parties, and furthermore that it will be respected by the rest of the EVE community.

... no really...

.... seriously...

This is exactly why I think HS Incursions are unrealistic. Its like the Germans get in their head march on Paris and then the French decide to let civilian militias deal with the threat. It makes absolutely no sense.

Incursions should be a LS and a NPC Null thing only. Either that, or Concord doesn't defend HS during an incursion and it behaves like LS.

No matter what, the forums are not the place for this. Its illogical, well reasoned but illogical, in the grand scheme of things.

believe it or not we used to run low/null incursions just fine until CCP decided to rework them around being run with ridiculous setups that nobody is going to fly outside of hisec

naturally they decided to do that instead of, you know, realizing that incursions in hisec are dumb as hell

I think you are correct: the Escalation nerf was done to fix the hisec min/maxers and ABSOLUTELY KILLED THE LO/NULL SEC incursions.... further the OTA sites were so badly designed that thay had just about killed HI SEC VG's also. tHIS WAS screamed at ccp before Escalation's release from SiSi to TQ but they did not listen & sat on it after incursions flat lined for 2 months.

I did not realize how bad the HI to null/lo assault & HQ imbalance was until the escalation nerf I DOUBT THE DEVs did either or they were just following the nerf INCURSION TROLLS in the forums & when they 'fixed the Vanguard 'imbalance' they ARSERAPED LO/NULL SEC INCURSIONS... I guess the only lo/null HQ & Assault sites run was the MOM site PRE-ESCALATION?

I want to get lo sec incursions going again but armour Incursion fleets are barely treading water with FC's burning out from keeping HI SEC incursions alive over the summer until the WALL OF OTA's was broken 2 weeks ago

PS: THANKS CCP DEVs for the VG's now paying out the correct amounts since the last patch. I guess I can't joke about the 9/10thS rollback anymore