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Minmatar Militia drives out Amarr Crusade from Minmatar space!

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Muck Raker
Gutter Press
#1 - 2012-08-26 08:14:55 UTC
As reported previously by Gutter Press, the Amarr Imperial Crusade had wrought havoc on Minmatar space, causing billions of refugees to flee to avoid slavery!

However, the Tribal Liberation Force have turned this around, and have now driven out the Crusade forces from Republic space!

Freshly liberated civilians have been celebrating, and Gutter Press was able to catch up with the distraught mother who feared for her husband!

"My partner's alive! and on the first ship here, we're going to start a new life together, away from the horrors of war" she said.
"daddy made bad men go away, daddy is best" said the child.

Several other refugees have stated their intention to seek a new life in Pator and surrounding systems, far from the front lines of the war, raising questions about the infrastructure in Republic heartlands, and also about the conduct of the war itself, where vast resources are spent to occupy uninhabited areas.

Gutter Press, covering the news the Scope doesn't.

Rumours, Wars, Rumours of Wars, Wars of Rumours!

Mara Black
Dreamseeker Industries
#2 - 2012-08-26 08:29:10 UTC
Muck Raker wrote:
Freshly liberated civilians have been celebrating, and Gutter Press was able to catch up with the distraught mother who feared for her husband!


In don't know, but after having being 'liberated' and invaded several times over the last years, maybe they don't feel much like celebrating?
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-08-26 11:00:48 UTC
Again: the "crusade" referenced here was the work of individual, greedy capsuleers with no interest in the purposes behind the conflict from either side and no interest in or loyalty to the Empire; it was a move for ISK payout and nothing more. That the Empire even allowed this farce to take place is evident of the ridiculousness of this new "arrangement" agreed upon by CONCORD and the four nations.

There was no "mass slave raid" that took place.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-26 20:42:03 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
There was no "mass slave raid" that took place.


I'm sure it was a misuse of terms. It isn't enslavement but "reclamation" and "enlightenment" right?
Mara Black
Dreamseeker Industries
#5 - 2012-08-26 23:38:02 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:

I'm sure it was a misuse of terms. It isn't enslavement but "reclamation" and "enlightenment" right?


I'm quite sure the Metropolis populace was informed well in advance by the TLF that they wouldn't put any effort into defending their systems for them, giving them plenty of time to abandon the systems before the TLF let it fall to the enemy.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-08-27 00:45:45 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Azdan Amith wrote:
There was no "mass slave raid" that took place.


I'm sure it was a misuse of terms. It isn't enslavement but "reclamation" and "enlightenment" right?


Enslavement and Reclaiming are not the same thing. Enlightenment is a noun, not a verb.

Word mongering aside, the point I was making is that the recent sweep through the war zone by capsuleers under the banner of the Empire were not sanctioned by the Empire for some massive slave raid as was suggested in the original thread. They were independent capsuleers milking the new reward system agreed upon by the empires and CONCORD and setting yet another example of why it was a bad idea to agree to such a system to start with. All it has accomplished is to feed depravity further and make a mockery of those who truly desire to support the cause on both sides of the conflict.

The only outcome is rich(er) capsuleers, more lost lives and shattered worlds.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-08-27 00:48:42 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Azdan Amith wrote:
There was no "mass slave raid" that took place.


I'm sure it was a misuse of terms. It isn't enslavement but "reclamation" and "enlightenment" right?


If there had been Slaves taken by legitimate Holders under the good auspices of the system that is supposed to guarantee the physical and spiritual welfare of the newly enslaved then the words reclamation would, indeed, be appropriate. Such Slaves would be destined for useful labour and religious instruction that would, with the passage of time, eventually lead to the enlightenment that you suggest.

However it seems that any slaves that were taken in these raids were taken by unscrupulous individuals and then either butchered out of hand when the raids ended or else were sold on for profit to various underworld vendors. This sort of slavery is the regular sort such as might be found with the Sansha, Blood Raiders or other criminal cartels.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#8 - 2012-08-27 00:56:37 UTC
Militia members of all factions have been known to make unsanctioned planetside and station raids. Many of them are mercenaries, not patriots or idealists.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Damsa Desirah
The Tourniquet Group
#9 - 2012-08-27 02:33:20 UTC
The only motivation is ISK. I don't care for the Minmatar peoples just as I don't care for the Amarrian peoples. ISK is why I fight, it's also why I die...

It's not what your Alliance can do for you... It's what you can do to them before they realize you really work for the almighty WormHole God, BoB...

Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#10 - 2012-08-27 04:30:37 UTC
Gladiators fighting for money. Who would have thought?
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#11 - 2012-08-27 15:02:30 UTC
Natalcya Katla wrote:
Gladiators fighting for money. Who would have thought?


But are we not entertained?
Jev North
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-08-27 15:09:38 UTC
To be honest? Yes. I can't speak for others, of course - but ever since a few of the more numerous and less competent militia corporations landed in our neighborhood, I've been wearing this massive grin, and can't seem to wipe it off.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Damsa Desirah
The Tourniquet Group
#13 - 2012-08-27 15:26:07 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Natalcya Katla wrote:
Gladiators fighting for money. Who would have thought?


But are we not entertained?


Isn't this why we all love being capsuleers? We can die as much as we want, and be as entertained as we need!

Don't you agree Mr. Thessalonia?

It's not what your Alliance can do for you... It's what you can do to them before they realize you really work for the almighty WormHole God, BoB...

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#14 - 2012-08-27 15:35:07 UTC
Damsa Desirah wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Natalcya Katla wrote:
Gladiators fighting for money. Who would have thought?


But are we not entertained?


Isn't this why we all love being capsuleers? We can die as much as we want, and be as entertained as we need!

Don't you agree Mr. Thessalonia?


I do not love being a capsuleer. I love being an infomorph, but if I could retain that and fufil my function while ripping every one of these capsuleer implants out of my body, I would do so in a picosecond.

Remember: You are not the only person in your ship. Until you have graduated each and every single crewmember to infomorph status combat is not a game.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-08-27 16:56:22 UTC
The rules of engagement for capsuleer militias are set by CONCORD as per the Emergency Militia War Powers Act. These rules include, among other things, the rewards offered to participating capsuleers for their deeds in the operational theaters.

Capsuleers, being what they are, can buck the rules and ignore the incentives - after all, many capsuleers participate in the CONCORD-sanctioned militias while still engaging in those acts of piracy that CONCORD frowns upon. For the most part, however, these incentives will guide the activities of the militias.

In this bounded war, material rewards are offered for acheiving specific 'mission' objectives, attacking and capturing designated strongholds in space, and for shooting down enemy capsuleer-piloted vessels. No material rewards are offered for defending systems or maintaining the integrity of the sovereign borders of our employers.

In other words, we are paid to attack, not to defend.

As long as this situation persists, militia members will do what will rationally yield the maximum return for their time. Rapidly-shifting borders and dramatic turns of fortune will be the norm in this conflict, with most capsuleer combatants deferring defense in favor of launching a counter-offensive after the "enemy" has finished their push.

My own corporation is a privateer organization, and is not exempt from this general trend. I will be frank in saying that most of our membership is quite mercenary in their outlook towards this conflict. The overall outcome of the war is less important than how well we are paid for participating in it.

And, indeed, we are paid quite well.

In short, the kind of dramatic advances and reversals reported recently by the "Gutter Press" are not unusual in the slightest. If the overall situation produces dissatisfaction, look to CONCORD and the governments of the four nations for change. We, simple mercenaries, are merely doing our jobs within the parameters they have set out.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#16 - 2012-08-27 19:47:02 UTC
Back and forth, to and fro, round and round we go... where it stops, who knows? Not with any victory worth noting, certainly...
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#17 - 2012-08-28 03:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
What is the ultimate meaning and/or objective of these wars?

Oh wait, that's right: There is none.

Except maybe to keep a few dangerous half-insane children occupied with toys that go "bang" and "pew."

Oh look, father! Shiny! How precious!

So silly of me to forget.

[/cynicism]

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-08-28 07:33:44 UTC
Proclaiming these wars to be ultimately meaningless is most certainly a novel idea, and one that will mark you as an edgy individual with undoubtedly unique insight.

Do I need to add a forum tag to that statement?
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-28 11:48:22 UTC
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
Proclaiming these wars to be ultimately meaningless is most certainly a novel idea, and one that will mark you as an edgy individual with undoubtedly unique insight.

Do I need to add a forum tag to that statement?


The wars are only meaningless to the short-sighted, which includes a large number of us unfortunately.

Even if someone believes they are meaningless, there are still people who suffer because of them on a daily basis, economies are shifted, lives are lost, jobs are destroyed and created and other consequences exist. I would suggest that the wars themselves are not the problem, it is the ones fighting them that have forgotten the reasons behind them or simply forsaken those reasons that are the problem.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-08-28 13:46:31 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:

Even if someone believes they are meaningless, there are still people who suffer because of them on a daily basis, economies are shifted, lives are lost, jobs are destroyed and created and other consequences exist. I would suggest that the wars themselves are not the problem, it is the ones fighting them that have forgotten the reasons behind them or simply forsaken those reasons that are the problem.


Soldiers do not determine policy.

Were the entirety of the capsuleer militias to presently retire, the wars would not end. Other capsuleers would simply move in as there is isk to be made and baubles to be obtained. CONCORD-designed system facilitates easy entrance by any capsuleer looking for thrills or material rewards. Which is to say, the two motivations that drive most capsuleers.

Whether or not members of the militia stay true to the 'reasons' behind the conflict are irrelevant to the war's continuance or conclusion.

This is a war initiated from the top-down, carefully regulated and bounded by the highest authorities of the interstellar political order. The man who initiated the surprise attack on the Federation, Tibus Heth, still holds power over the State and continues to benefit politically from the war. The Minmatar Elders that launched the initial assault on CONCORD and subsequent push into Amarrian space continue to harbor grievances against the Empire that holds a significant portion of their ethnic kin in bondage.

You will find that we members of the militia have little to do with how long these power players decide that the war must continue. We are simply paid quite well by them to carry out their agendas. And if it were not us, it would be some other capsuleers.
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