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Mining in High-Sec

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-22 18:02:05 UTC
Conrad Lionhart wrote:
I'm no economy expert, but since mining is now so accessible due to the mining ship changes, and more people are doing it, mineral prices may drop.

On the day of release I saw a great many mineral buy orders that have been around for a while fulfilled.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-08-25 16:46:20 UTC
Market Inquisitor wrote:
I have been considering getting into mining as something to do semi-afk while I do homework. I do various other things on my main, but nearly everything is not something I have my mind on classes.

Now, my question(s).. How profitable is mining now after the Drone region changes and the new Barge/Exhumer changes? I really do not know hardly anything about mining, but I think I heard the Mack or more for solo miners?

Any advice for a new miner?


At the very least, get into a Retriever. They have a 27.5K m^3 ore bay. But I'd really recommend a Mack right now, with a 35K m^3 ore bay, you can get a decent haul to bring back to base, turn around and head back out. And with those bays, you don't have to worry about getting can flipped via jetcan mining.

I ran a rough comparison and although with my Hulk I can fill four jetcans in about 80 minutes or so, I also have to spend time to get my Impel, unload them all via multiple trips when I can fly back to the station in my Retriever or Mack, unload the bay and fly back out. In the mack, the mining is slightly slower, but the yield boost you get almost makes up for it. All you have to watch out for is gankers and belt rats.

Note that currently I am using T2 strips and mining crystals, so that gives me the most bang for my buck. In my opinion, for semi-AFK mining, train and eventually go with the Mack. Oh and don't forget your drone training as well.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-08-25 16:53:07 UTC
Traedar wrote:
Totally Trustworthy wrote:
currently, mining veld/scord with a hulk and hauler, no boosts, i make around 16mil to 18mil per hour


You might want to train Mining Foreman on your Hulk pilot and fleet the two up... up to +10% yield... Smile



Hehe, I've got that skill up to four currently. When our Orca pilot isn't online, another corpmate and I fleet up and get the increased boost. Smile Anything to get through it quicker. Currently I'm training mining drones to 5, so I can use those T2 drones. Not even considering those overpriced Harvesters.
Penwarden
Corefire Industries
#24 - 2012-08-26 05:13:54 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Our corp's normal mining system (3 jumps from Amarr) was completely cleaned out. We had to go 6 jumps out to find a good system where only half the belts were cleaned out.

It makes me sad to hear that people are actually legitimately mining Omber.



Well, 4-5 years ago Omber was THE ore to mine. Maybe what goes around comes around ?
Michael Lexus
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-08-26 07:04:28 UTC
Ores in high sec gets easily depleted.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#26 - 2012-08-26 09:33:57 UTC
The new barge changes are so far-reaching that Zedrick had to shut down the IEEE.

Oh, the humanity.

Also, Chribba can't be wrong....mine that Veld, baby...Big smile

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#27 - 2012-08-27 09:59:03 UTC
Looking at High Sec mining for a totally solo character (i.e. with no alt to do the hauling) and I am wondering now if there is any point getting a Hulk if one is Jet Can Mining.

From what I can work out a Hulk offers 5% better yield than a Covetor and I am wondering if a Hulk is worth it now for solo mining in Empire.

Could anyone confirm please?

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-08-27 14:59:16 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Looking at High Sec mining for a totally solo character (i.e. with no alt to do the hauling) and I am wondering now if there is any point getting a Hulk if one is Jet Can Mining.

From what I can work out a Hulk offers 5% better yield than a Covetor and I am wondering if a Hulk is worth it now for solo mining in Empire.

Could anyone confirm please?


Probably not worth it if you are truly solo (i.e., without a dedicated hauler or Orca corpie/alt nearby). You'll sacrifice the Hulk's greater yield on trips back to station to get the hauler, fly back to the belt to grab the can, *back* to station to dump the ore and re-ship to the Hulk, back to belt.... Just get a Retriever (or a Mack if you can afford it). That's the new role of the Ret/Mack -- a solo/small-gang mining vessel. That's why they have such a huge ore bay: solo players don't have as much logi support.

The Coveteor/Hulk is meant to be used in fleets with dedicated logi and booster support. They don't make much sense for solo mining.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#29 - 2012-08-27 15:40:26 UTC
Diolch, Idris.

It looks as I am not going to go for the Hulk and I have just starting mining in it.

The difference is that I can mine AFK (more or less) and then just let it fill the ore cargo container. I have decided that Idon't need to Jet Can.

Yes, it would be more efficient but then I don't have to mess about with naming cans, clicking shift enter to untangle the inventory and then bookmark the thing. So, whilst Jet Can may be more efficient it won't be as simple as returning when the ore cargo is full.

Now, my next question is should I now bother with Crystals for much the same reason? Since the emphasis is that I can sit and work in my office (I work from home) I can do simple AFK mining and not even worrying about Crystals just makes life a lot easier.

For solo miners; this change to the mining vessels is nothing short of very welcome.

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?
Immortis Vexx
Onyx Moon Industries
#30 - 2012-08-27 16:07:15 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Diolch, Idris.

It looks as I am not going to go for the Hulk and I have just starting mining in it.

The difference is that I can mine AFK (more or less) and then just let it fill the ore cargo container. I have decided that Idon't need to Jet Can.

Yes, it would be more efficient but then I don't have to mess about with naming cans, clicking shift enter to untangle the inventory and then bookmark the thing. So, whilst Jet Can may be more efficient it won't be as simple as returning when the ore cargo is full.

Now, my next question is should I now bother with Crystals for much the same reason? Since the emphasis is that I can sit and work in my office (I work from home) I can do simple AFK mining and not even worrying about Crystals just makes life a lot easier.

For solo miners; this change to the mining vessels is nothing short of very welcome.



Heya,

Personally if I am solo mining/semi afk I won't be using crystals for the sheer hassle of it. However, I have thrown together some data for you to look at to make an informed decision about this..

Hulk mostly maxed skills with 2 MLUs and crystals
46,401 veldspar per cycle without orca support

same ship/skills with strip miner 1s
39,772 veldspar per cycle w/o orca support

(EVEHQ used to compile this data)

Vexx
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-08-27 16:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Idris Helion
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
Diolch, Idris.

It looks as I am not going to go for the Hulk and I have just starting mining in it.

The difference is that I can mine AFK (more or less) and then just let it fill the ore cargo container. I have decided that Idon't need to Jet Can.

Yes, it would be more efficient but then I don't have to mess about with naming cans, clicking shift enter to untangle the inventory and then bookmark the thing. So, whilst Jet Can may be more efficient it won't be as simple as returning when the ore cargo is full.

Now, my next question is should I now bother with Crystals for much the same reason? Since the emphasis is that I can sit and work in my office (I work from home) I can do simple AFK mining and not even worrying about Crystals just makes life a lot easier.

For solo miners; this change to the mining vessels is nothing short of very welcome.



T2 strip miners + crystals are worth it, definitely. You substantially increase your yield by using them. Crystals last for quite a long time -- 7-8 hours is my average, mining continuously. In hisec, you only need 2 or 3 types -- Veld, Scord, and maybe pyroxeres or plagioclase crystals depending on the belt. Kernite if you're in a lower-sec system (.6 or .5). I generally don't bother with Kernite unless I need Mexallon for manufacturing, and even then it's usually cheaper to just buy it off the market.

But T1 strips still have a place if you just want to chew through a belt without thinking much about what you're mining. They're also cheaper than T2's by quite a bit.

EDIT: Go for the T1 crystals rather than T2, though. T1's are good enough.

EDIT: Don't even mess around with Omber. It's worthless.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#32 - 2012-08-27 16:46:43 UTC
Thanks again. I'll got for T1 Crystals with the T2 Strip Miners.

Without crystals things seem to be so slow; but then again that could be due to the fact that I am not continually lobbing ore out of the air lock into cans.

At least using the Mack it's a lot less hassle solo afk-mining.

Pam:  I wonder what my name means in Welsh?Nessa: Why?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#33 - 2012-08-27 16:52:50 UTC
Penwarden wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Our corp's normal mining system (3 jumps from Amarr) was completely cleaned out. We had to go 6 jumps out to find a good system where only half the belts were cleaned out.

It makes me sad to hear that people are actually legitimately mining Omber.



Well, 4-5 years ago Omber was THE ore to mine. Maybe what goes around comes around ?



Was the yield/refine amount or M3 any different back then? Or was Isogen that discustingly high priced that it out-performed Kernite despite requiring 100 more units to refine than Kernite?

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-27 17:24:07 UTC
Worth bearing in mind is that a T1 fit Retriever will set you back about 30 mill. With prices the way they are atm that's 2-3 hours mining. Losing a Mack would sting a lot more. If you are getting ganked enough to not make any profit you should probably look for a quieter system.

Sure, I don't have as good a yield, but I'm a lot more relaxed about tabbing out or going afk. If you are smart you can also be running your planets at 30min cycles and 1 isk'ing your market orders. Total profits are more like 30 mill an hour. And that is still semi afk while I'm doing some RL stuff as well.
Allus Nova
#35 - 2012-09-01 14:51:14 UTC
The VC's wrote:
Worth bearing in mind is that a T1 fit Retriever will set you back about 30 mill. With prices the way they are atm that's 2-3 hours mining. Losing a Mack would sting a lot more. If you are getting ganked enough to not make any profit you should probably look for a quieter system.

Sure, I don't have as good a yield, but I'm a lot more relaxed about tabbing out or going afk. If you are smart you can also be running your planets at 30min cycles and 1 isk'ing your market orders. Total profits are more like 30 mill an hour. And that is still semi afk while I'm doing some RL stuff as well.



With an inexpensive fit mack, you're so expensive to gank, it's not worth it A fit like this except using T1 mining lasers and scanner will work totally fine, and it's more expensive than it would be worth to gank you. Would take 3 tornadoes to take that down before concord popped them, and that's a negative killboard proposition
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-09-01 15:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kusum Fawn
since the orehold / cargo is now split, and crystals have been dropped to 15m/3 instead of 50 there really isnt a good reason to not use t2 strips.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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