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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#481 - 2012-08-21 08:22:19 UTC
Pipa, is usually a bane to me, in most topics. This thread is mostly fun, since it seems the tables were turned for once.

Read as: Pipa usually likes the attack and is usually good at it, except for when it comes to ISD relations.

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Frying Doom
#482 - 2012-08-24 03:27:26 UTC
I have become concerned that all the fun is being sucked out of General Discussion. I am perfectly aware of the no rumor rule subsequently no longer making this part of the Meta game.

But killing of threads like the funny CQ hamburger one and now "proof of sekret alliancia between goonswrm y triple a" is just a bit ridiculous. They were just good fun threads with some harmless fun involved.

Or Is GD to just be replaced with a factual library of topics. If so it would be less boring if you just replaced it with a corrected and updated WiKi.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#483 - 2012-08-24 19:25:30 UTC
GD is for discussion that does not fall into the other categories. It is not for off topic threads whose only purpose is an attention grab.
Frying Doom
#484 - 2012-08-25 02:37:07 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
GD is for discussion that does not fall into the other categories. It is not for off topic threads whose only purpose is an attention grab.

Actually almost all of what is posted in GD does fall under another category except the whacky threads. Its just that most of them are not moved.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
AcT-Damien
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#485 - 2012-08-26 00:11:42 UTC
We all make mistakes. Oops


Admin accidentaly slips bad word.
Lachrimosis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#486 - 2012-08-26 19:46:26 UTC
Character Bazaar ISD's (namely Type40) need to learn the definition of "bump" before locking threads/etc.

A selling character should be able to reply, in non-discussion provoking language, to offers and questions in thread for the benefit of all other potential purchasers.
Aurora2012
Second Uprising
#487 - 2012-08-26 21:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurora2012
Lachrimosis wrote:
Character Bazaar ISD's (namely Type40) need to learn the definition of "bump" before locking threads/etc.

A selling character should be able to reply, in non-discussion provoking language, to offers and questions in thread for the benefit of all other potential purchasers.


This is some think i can agree with 100%. the last 3 months of these new ISD'S has been a nightmare i mean ok there trying to do there job but maybe CCP/GM/ISD/BH and so on should ask the players that pay for the game what they think should be done different. Dont just let the have there fun on the posts we put up.

Im not just saying this because i have had post locked in the past im saying it because its what needs to be done and im saying it from some one that is all ways on the forum more then eve i read lots of post by people and see what they like and dont like about this and i do also agree with the new helpers some times but like i said what needs to happen is.

1. Look back before the new ISD'S where here and see what people did not like and what they did like.

2. Ask some new eve players what they think about the forum's.

3. get in touch with the older player's because we are have played for a long time and know a little more.

4. Get some poles going to see what every one thinks as one group.

5. Make a video about what the community has told EvE and what you are going to do about it.

6. Put the new rules in place

7. Follow some of the posts to see how things are going.

8. Sit back and chill out as you wont have so much work to do any more.

Remember this is just what i think should happen there are so many more people out there so listen to them all if you have the time.

Thanks for taking the time to read this every one.

Give me a little mail/like if you agree what what i have said but also tell me if you think i am wrong it all helps Blink Once again thanks all.
HaltHammerzeit
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#488 - 2012-08-27 08:22:07 UTC
Lachrimosis wrote:
Character Bazaar ISD's (namely Type40) need to learn the definition of "bump" before locking threads/etc.

A selling character should be able to reply, in non-discussion provoking language, to offers and questions in thread for the benefit of all other potential purchasers.


Couldn't agree more, the thread-locking frenzy in character bazaar is nearly an epidemic atm.

ISD TYPE 40 in particular is someone who I feel is having a negative impact on the smooth-running of the forum. For example, last week, out of 5 auctions I bid in (no discussion/questions, just number only bids) the guy locked 3 of them at some stage. It used to be that people were given a warning and although I welcome tougher rules, this borders on the ridiculous.

I noticed his latest trick is posting in normal, straight-forward sales at the end to comment that the sale is done and to lock the thread. WHY???
Isn't this free bumping to topics that are already closed? Total waste of peoples' time and it seems to be just done to aggravate the forum community.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#489 - 2012-08-27 20:15:22 UTC
He may not be aware of the lax bumping policy of the Bazaar. Someone should say something... oh wait.
Frying Doom
#490 - 2012-08-30 01:32:25 UTC
Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)

But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?

Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#491 - 2012-08-30 01:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
ISD has been on a tear lately.

Some of the funniest faux paus I have seen though is thier 'editing' of thread names which make little sense
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=125658
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1832419#post1832419

Interesting thing is these thread name changes seem to be to protect CCP's 'good name' Lol
Maybe though I just don't notice the edits of other thread titles.
The poster of the first thread linked above ended up getting a Forums ban because she got pretty PO'd about the edit ( FYI she was correct about CCP being in error & the issue has been patched )
I hope the creator of the second link stays in the game but I doubt he will ( not due to the thread's editing but IMHO to his actually being scammed by CCP's bad market mechanics allowing such scams Big smile )

EDIT: I was mistaken the 'rollbacked' Vanguard payouts are 10.395 million still instead of the 10.5 million they were Pre-Escalation
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Pipa Porto
#492 - 2012-08-30 04:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Frying Doom wrote:
Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)

But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?

Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system



Hey, it's the NickyYo tinfoil hat brigade.

Has NickyYo brought forth any evidence to support his assertion of corruption? No? Ah...

Got any evidence of favoritism (besides their well established habit of whitewashing anything critical of CCP)? No? Ah...

If you have any solid evidence of anything, I believe internalaffairs@ccpgames.com is your destination.



Anyway, the safety measures are the same as with CCP Devs. We're not allowed to know who their IG characters are, and it's hard to bribe someone whom we can't identify.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Frying Doom
#493 - 2012-08-30 05:45:37 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)

But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?

Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system



Hey, it's the NickyYo tinfoil hat brigade.

Has NickyYo brought forth any evidence to support his assertion of corruption? No? Ah...

Got any evidence of favoritism (besides their well established habit of whitewashing anything critical of CCP)? No? Ah...

If you have any solid evidence of anything, I believe internalaffairs@ccpgames.com is your destination.



Anyway, the safety measures are the same as with CCP Devs. We're not allowed to know who their IG characters are, and it's hard to bribe someone whom we can't identify.

Actually I can't say I do believe him but it would be nice to know they have safeguards in place because unlike DEVs, ISDs don't have to worry about loosing their jobs if they are caught telling their alliance members who they are and taking bribes. As the ISD is just a volunteer position.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#494 - 2012-08-30 06:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually I can't say I do believe him but it would be nice to know they have safeguards in place because unlike DEVs, ISDs don't have to worry about loosing their jobs if they are caught telling their alliance members who they are and taking bribes. As the ISD is just a volunteer position.


I just hate it when my arguments from earlier get thrown back at me. Shocked

Unless CCP's gonna ban fallen ISD accounts, that's always going to be a concern. Of course, historically CCP hasn't fired Devs for misconduct within the game, so I'm not sure how a game ban for an ISD would compare with a... whatever internal punishment they give Devs.

It's really not something we can have much insight into either way. Either we trust the IA department to do their job or we don't. They're not going to tell us what they have and haven't done.

If we trust the IA department, we can trust that the ISDs are unlikely to get away with taking bribes for moderation (silly as that sounds).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Frying Doom
#495 - 2012-08-30 07:08:35 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually I can't say I do believe him but it would be nice to know they have safeguards in place because unlike DEVs, ISDs don't have to worry about loosing their jobs if they are caught telling their alliance members who they are and taking bribes. As the ISD is just a volunteer position.


I just hate it when my arguments from earlier get thrown back at me. Shocked

Unless CCP's gonna ban fallen ISD accounts, that's always going to be a concern. Of course, historically CCP hasn't fired Devs for misconduct within the game, so I'm not sure how a game ban for an ISD would compare with a... whatever internal punishment they give Devs.

It's really not something we can have much insight into either way. Either we trust the IA department to do their job or we don't. They're not going to tell us what they have and haven't done.

If we trust the IA department, we can trust that the ISDs are unlikely to get away with taking bribes for moderation (silly as that sounds).

Pretty much why I was wondering if they had active safeguards. I understand the passive ones, of us the players sending an email to internal affairs but do they actually have any active measures them selves to discover this kind of behaviour them selves.

For instance are they regularly checking the ISDs player accounts for large sums or gifts and requesting an explanation of these?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#496 - 2012-08-30 08:27:24 UTC
Hm, maybe we could all just relax a bit, and remember what the ISD's favorite words are.

If you have any problems with moderation, feel free to send a petition about it.

Of course someone powerful in a null sec alliance, could bribe GMs as well as the ISD, so those petitions go unanswered. As well as someone offering beer to CCP for the moderation problem, to just be ignored. Also a powerful person in null sec, could offer a great job to a person in IA, which he would then ignore the moderation problems, to get said job. I could go on of course, but hopefully, they just respond to your petition.

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Frying Doom
#497 - 2012-08-30 08:39:44 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Hm, maybe we could all just relax a bit, and remember what the ISD's favorite words are.

If you have any problems with moderation, feel free to send a petition about it.

Of course someone powerful in a null sec alliance, could bribe GMs as well as the ISD, so those petitions go unanswered. As well as someone offering beer to CCP for the moderation problem, to just be ignored. Also a powerful person in null sec, could offer a great job to a person in IA, which he would then ignore the moderation problems, to get said job. I could go on of course, but hopefully, they just respond to your petition.

Subsequently making the purpose of this thread?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#498 - 2012-08-30 08:47:54 UTC
Yeah or post in this thread. either one I suppose ya want, just seemed, petitions are more serious in nature then this thread.

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CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#499 - 2012-08-30 14:05:16 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Given that a now banned member of this forum community has brought up possible corruption by ISD's (I myself am not saying there is)

But what safety measures are in place to prevent ISDs from receiving bribes to lock posts or for that matter just lock them as they perceive is beneficial for their corp?

Besides us throwing more petitions into the already overloaded system


The checks that are in place are pretty much the same as we have for others who have some access to our back end tools. We don't have any problem with people reporting their suspicions to us (on the contrary), through a petition or mail, but we want and need some evidence to be presented and when people spread rumors publicly without a shred of evidence, we don't take kindly to it any more than if people spread unsupported rumors about CCP staff. Rumors without evidence do nothing but stir up bad vibes.

Lets imagine that you knew of actual bad things, what would be more productive...presenting the same evidence that convinced you to the people responsible, or starting a thread about it without including any evidence?

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#500 - 2012-08-30 14:34:52 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Lets imagine that you knew of actual bad things, what would be more productive...presenting the same evidence that convinced you to the people responsible, or starting a thread about it without including any evidence?

Let's make your strawman a bit more real. Let's assume that starting a thread about it gets the powers-that-be involved in a day or two, while submitting a petition (in late July) gets them involved in a month or two. Which do *you* think is more effective?

MDD