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High-sec Incursion Runners Community Agreement (HIRCA) - To Be Signed and Discussed (TVP, TDF, ISN)

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Ghazu
#21 - 2012-08-27 05:30:39 UTC
No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-08-27 05:43:39 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it.


Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye.
Yeyra
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-08-27 05:48:17 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it.


Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye.



So because ISN supposedly runs with extra pilots every incursion runner is making less money? That doesn't make any sense what so ever.
Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
#24 - 2012-08-27 05:57:11 UTC
CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!

Lmao, you guys...



I propose an alternative solution that would get rid of ninja looting, arguments over sites etc. Remove incursions
Yeyra
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-08-27 06:00:40 UTC
Dirk Culliford wrote:
CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!

Lmao, you guys...


No one wrote anything about buffing Incursion payouts.
Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
#26 - 2012-08-27 06:12:57 UTC
Yeyra wrote:
Dirk Culliford wrote:
CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!

Lmao, you guys...


No one wrote anything about buffing Incursion payouts.


I was referring to the buffs of the past
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2012-08-27 06:13:40 UTC
Hehehe....
I can't wait to get my hands on you again ♥
Yeyra
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-08-27 06:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Yeyra
Dirk Culliford wrote:
Yeyra wrote:
Dirk Culliford wrote:
CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!

Lmao, you guys...


No one wrote anything about buffing Incursion payouts.


I was referring to the buffs of the past


And why are they relevant to this topic?
Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
#29 - 2012-08-27 06:30:05 UTC
Yeyra wrote:
Dirk Culliford wrote:
Yeyra wrote:
Dirk Culliford wrote:
CCP! Incursions are all about teamwork, we're not in it for isk. We enjoy doing it so we can play with other people and have fun. This is why we need you to buff payouts! We need more isk/hour, because of teamwork!

Lmao, you guys...


No one wrote anything about buffing Incursion payouts.


I was referring to the buffs of the past


And why are they relevant to this topic?


Because they show incursions for what they really are. It's got nothing to do with enjoyable gameplay and everything to do with fountains of isk.

If you want isk at least be competitive. None of this gentleman's agreement 'it's your turn at the spawn good sirs'. You should all be going for it and may the best fleet win. C'est la eve
Yeyra
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-08-27 07:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Yeyra
Dirk Culliford wrote:

Because they show incursions for what they really are. It's got nothing to do with enjoyable gameplay and everything to do with fountains of isk.


Correct.

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If you want isk at least be competitive. None of this gentleman's agreement 'it's your turn at the spawn good sirs'. You should all be going for it and may the best fleet win. C'est la eve


ISN is competitive. If we can contest, we do it. The current mothership drama is about TVP getting butthurt, because ISN popped a mothership last week a few hours before it was withdrawing. So they decided to pop every single mothership as soon as the next Incursion spawns and thus only leaving one Incursion up at a time to hurt/punish ISN. But the only thing TVP accomplishes with this is to annoy every single Incursion runner in EVE by forcing them to move daily, especially their own members. In fact they don't hurt us at all, they're accomplishing the exact opposite by forcing everyone into one High Sec Incursion and thus giving us more contests which means more ISK/hr for us. It's annoying to move daily, but that's it. This drama going to end sooner or later. Either TVP stops or they'll lose members like crazy and won't be able to fill any fleet anymore, because many of their members are already pretty pissed about this. I hope now you understand why Sean Whedon suggested this agreement and is trying to end this drama.

And fyi I personally agree with you that there should'nt be a rotation. Motherships aren't that important anyways. I personally don't care who pops them. I only care about when they're getting popped.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-08-27 07:42:42 UTC
More evidence incursions should just go away to the cornfields.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-08-27 08:06:13 UTC
Yeyra wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it.


Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye.



So because ISN supposedly runs with extra pilots every incursion runner is making less money? That doesn't make any sense what so ever.


I guess you don't run incursions.

They contest you. Your fleet has enough pilots for full payout. Theirs has more pilots so less payout per pilot.

If they win everyone makes less ISK. Since they have more ships, they usually win. When Incursions were full at least there was a reason to do it. Now its just indignant.



LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-08-27 08:12:15 UTC
I sign to have all incursions moved to lowsec and 0.0.

Tada!
Yeyra
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-08-27 08:31:20 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Yeyra wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it.


Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye.



So because ISN supposedly runs with extra pilots every incursion runner is making less money? That doesn't make any sense what so ever.


I guess you don't run incursions.

They contest you. Your fleet has enough pilots for full payout. Theirs has more pilots so less payout per pilot.

If they win everyone makes less ISK. Since they have more ships, they usually win. When Incursions were full at least there was a reason to do it. Now its just indignant.


You guessed wrong. I fly with ISN. I'm one of the "griefing assholes".
Sean Whedon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-27 08:40:26 UTC
Well, the last incursion that got popped, 6 of 9 top LP winners were ISN... They really don't get hurt. The speed they go through sites... They did NRF sites back to back which were 15 minutes long.

Skill Guide - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=139973

Incursion Agreement - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1846944&#post1846944
Sturmwolke
#36 - 2012-08-27 08:42:56 UTC
Yeyra wrote:
Motherships aren't that important anyways


Just a small note to that. MOMs aren't important to hardcore (24/7) regulars or veterans, but they're quite a novelty event for youngblood incursion runners.
The rotation system and the withdrawal condition gives them some leeway in experiencing the content without stressing their schedules (whether RL or EVE related).
Yeyra
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-08-27 08:46:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Yeyra
Sturmwolke wrote:
Yeyra wrote:
Motherships aren't that important anyways


Just a small note to that. MOMs aren't important to hardcore (24/7) regulars or veterans, but they're quite a novelty event for youngblood incursion runners.
The rotation system and the withdrawal condition gives them some leeway in experiencing the content without stressing their schedules (whether RL or EVE related).



I meant the payout of the Mothership site. Who gets to pop the MOM isn't really important, it's only important when it's going to be popped.
Ghazu
#38 - 2012-08-27 09:17:15 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
No it's you scrub fleets thats griefing by slowing things down for everyone then crying about it.


Not by a longshot girlfriend. ISN runs with extra pilots so they are making less money. They slow down the ISK/hour for everyone including themselves. Open up your incursion journal and read it before you post about it kthxbye.



Explain to me how ISN's shorter minutes spent per site slows things down for everyone?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-08-27 09:20:37 UTC
Sean Whedon wrote:
This was written by me and me alone

I have identified a problem with the 'community agreement'
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-08-27 10:32:02 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Sean Whedon wrote:
This was written by me and me alone

I have identified a problem with the 'community agreement'


lulzy, true, but lulzy

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!