Jita Park Speakers Corner

I only hope CCP are considering the significant investments various pilots may have already put into current POS module production both in terms of the BPOs required to produce POS modules and also other associated relevant infrastructure like PI etc.

As such I'm encouraged that CCP might be expanding on the existing POS model, but I'm hoping (somewhat predicting) that this is an additional expansion to the existing items in game which will continue to be utilised in any future designs?

As such I think it is very important to have this particular concern addressed by CCP so it wont have a serious impact to this specialised area of industry?

I will keep this brief as many have commented on the same things. lets put it into a summery of like by all the people I have chatted with

Rework pos command, access, and use roles to allow for better security and ease of manufacturing by all members of a corp, alliance, Blues or the general public and charge fees based on standing or affiliation.
The lego block idea is great expand on that
POS jumping with the 24 hr timer for spool up and a 24 hr timer cool down. (48hr between jumps) is a most excellent idea
ship mooring is great, as long as ships are protected, would be nice to not only fit ships but to repair as well.
Cloaking POS is way cool. although a mechanism where the pos become uncloaked and scanable as ships arrive and leave
ease of use for manufacturing, example instead of 6 ship arrays to build basic TI and TII ships frig -BS have one array or block with upgrades for slots and type.
the anchor anywhere (within reason ... not on a gate for example) would go a long ways to proliferate space.

Everyone I think most agrees the access and roles have to be fixed before anything else.

a LOT of people have issues with what greyscale said when he didnt want to have POS shields anymore cause the coding is a bit iffy here and there and makes some peculiar game breaking situations occur (see cynoing inside pos's etc..)

i came across an idea in another brainstorming thread that could offer a way of providing some of the safety net of a pos shield without an actual pos shield per say.

what it boils down to is the creation of a new mechanic known to be signature masking. and how it works is dependent on the relationship between 2 objects in space and their properties.


Mechanic
if one of the objects is monumentally huge, for example in sig radius, compared to the other (within a certain size ratio of one another), then so long as the other object is within a certain distance from the 1st object, its signature would be masked and would disappear off a scouting ships overview, even though the ship would still be visable in space.

Application to Dockable POS's
so how this applies to the new POS's is dependant on the size and complexity of the modular POS, certain undocking ships (almost all subcaps) would be able to undock or orbit the pos at a pretty tight distance and remain unlockable. providing that undocking and regrouping mechanic that POS shields currently allow. but without a definable barrier that can be abused.

Bumping
of course the idea of bumping is still an issue. could possibly be solved by some kind of omnidirectional repulsor shockwave that can be installed and manually activated to ward off anyone what hasnt "dialed in" the correct frequency to not be affected by the shockwave.


this could prevent docking games too if applied to stations, and could add other interesting tactics dependant on the mechanics balance and applied ratios.

Yeah, just to add to the thread. I wouldn't specify any particular mechanics as I know CCP will sit around doing that themselves.

I would like to see some goals reached in terms of the POS however.

1) Make the POS scalable so that the same structures will be used if you need a 500m isk tower or a 100b isk tower - the upgrades should have a sliding scale of isk to install the module (install fee), but the module remains the same kind in terms of buying on market.
2) Extend the use of the POS to start to cover station systems - cloning, offices, refinery, etc.
3) Make POS defenses likewise scalable so that 20 ships + logi don't find the POS trivial to take down as is the case at present - if you want to pay for it - both the defensive module and the PG/CPU, the defenses should be very scalable. (Drones as well as guns/missiles?).
4) Create an open POS environment, so that neutrals can take advantage of the pos services - so you can make money from them - again this is part of not having trivial defenses.
5) Create isk sinks in the upgrades of modules - refineries, cloning, market, etc - something the game needs terribly at the moment - 50-75% of the total module cost after installation (install fee) could end up being isk sink.
6) Fix current POS systems, so they are not nerfing types of gameplay. Your 75% refinery output for instance - this just makes people stick to empire even more - such a bad idea.

These things have many advantages.

• CCP only has 1 structure to develop instead of 2 - getting rid of stations instead of just making them destructible could be a lot better in the long run.
• ISK Sink every time a POS is blown up.
• EVERYONE can own a station - play with settings etc, this could be a new profession (Just call me Lando Calrissian).
• Small corps and alliances can band together and defend their systems even if they are not specifically aligned - they can make small bases in 0.0 even if they are not aligned with local station owners - this could create more wars.
• Markets in low-sec could become a lot better, lowsec in general could suddenly become a lot more usable.
• Any MMO Currently being developed always has 1 question asked over and over by users - what about player housing? - this is a great marketable selling point for CCP - the more effort you put into this the better off you'll be.

Precisely.

A big part of EVE is about money being power, not arbitrary gameplay limits put there by scaremongers.

Well idk about invincible, but certainly FAR from trivial.

I'd like to see weapon platforms configurable and instead of taking control of a particular gun, a pos gunner could take control of a weapons array for each level instead. A POS gunner with level 5 skill should be able to take control of a starbase completely.

A weapons platform could just be a ship-style chassis with slots to put guns/ECM/missiles/whatever.

Could fit on the pos or in space as CCP requires - I think it'd be hard to fit ALL the modules on the pos itself. Although, that'd be preferred to me.

Smaller shield/armor, but MUCH larger amount of defenses that cannot be taken offline until the POS is dead - making the whole procedure of taking down a large well endowed (heh) pos like this, inherently dangerous the whole time an enemy stays in aggressed and in range.

A lot of this could actually be made to happen - not by MORE guns, but by better gun systems, guns/drones should be able to focus fire when unmanned instead of firing at random targets.

These kinds of comments aren't helpful to the conversation.

Point is here that every time a POS is lost due to it sitting somewhere someone else doesn't like, "ultra rich" organisations either lose it easily, or it's an ultra expensive isk sink that's harder than the current system to fight against.

Thise whole system of "We've taken out 5 guns, the rest of it is useless now" is absurd.
The risk against an unmanned pos that someone spent 5b on right now, is also absurd, the guns should focus fire on a random target, not just fire at everything so that it's easily tanked.

Actually beginning to expect this from the CSM now... attitudes since voting week seem to have changed drastically.

Actually one of the things I suggested in a F&I post was that things like cyno jammers, moon miners, guns, ecm ect.. not be part of the POS structure but still remain as separate entities. This way preventing the need to be able to lock a specific part of the POS.

When I said defenses I was implying the ability to increase the POSs armour and hull points with modules. If they could implement it so you could target external modules like a cyno jammer with it as part of the pos that would be nice but unless they can be separately targeted I believe they should just be separate.

Ok my F&I post to show better what I was saying it was actually on POS skills



Naturally enough with the docking module allowing you to control who is able to dock and who is shoot on sight

On this note I found this on twitter

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/ypde9/im_seleene_former_ccp_game_designer_and_current/?limit=500

Comments by Seleene on the new POS setup.

Why I need to check twitter for something EvE related I don't know.

They really need a bloody CSM website.