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Do low sec items sale?

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#1 - 2012-08-22 04:28:01 UTC
I'ld like to forge into the realm of low sec trading, but all the markets I see are barely visited with no activity. I'm not sure if this is secondary to the risk of low sec, or if low sec pirates have no problems going to the larger hubs for better deals.

Anyone have any experience with low sec markets to see if there's any potention there?

yk
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-08-22 05:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Styth spiting
YuuKnow wrote:
I'ld like to forge into the realm of low sec trading, but all the markets I see are barely visited with no activity. I'm not sure if this is secondary to the risk of low sec, or if low sec pirates have no problems going to the larger hubs for better deals.

Anyone have any experience with low sec markets to see if there's any potention there?

yk


Not really very profitable at all. Lowsec is too close to highsec, and generally most pirates have alts they use for doing highsec runs for any items they may need.

I guess deep low sec would maybe have some profits to be made, but the risk/reward is very low. Seeding markets is pretty much the lowest risk/reward when it comes to what lowsec has to offer.

Generally low sec folks are far more likely to try and blow your ship up and take the drops then to buy the items from you on the market.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#3 - 2012-08-22 05:13:57 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
I'ld like to forge into the realm of low sec trading, but all the markets I see are barely visited with no activity. I'm not sure if this is secondary to the risk of low sec, or if low sec pirates have no problems going to the larger hubs for better deals.

Anyone have any experience with low sec markets to see if there's any potention there?

yk


For any potentially big market enough, it's the same as trying to bring stuff into any enemy territory anywhere: the locals already got their logistics so you are going to compete against people who don't want you there and already provide the service you want to. You get all the costs and the risks, they get your spoils...
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#4 - 2012-08-22 16:15:18 UTC
I've had some success selling cap booster charges in low sec. They don't get snapped up quickly, no, but people are lazy and sometimes don't want to bother with a treck to high sec just to restock on consumables.

That said, I certainly wouldn't try to build a business out of low sec sales as your main form of income.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Immortis Vexx
Onyx Moon Industries
#5 - 2012-08-22 17:05:40 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
I'ld like to forge into the realm of low sec trading, but all the markets I see are barely visited with no activity. I'm not sure if this is secondary to the risk of low sec, or if low sec pirates have no problems going to the larger hubs for better deals.

Anyone have any experience with low sec markets to see if there's any potention there?

yk



I have had good luck buying cheap stuff that people don't want to haul to high sec before. Low sec can be profitable but you have to sell the right things. The key to it all is, "what would people most likely be lazy about in low sec?" Find something that's kind of a pain to haul and sell it a bit above the high sec prices.

The best thing that you can do (sadly) is to encourage lazy behavior; sell it for too much and they will get an alt to haul it.

Vexx

PS: and for god's sake, use a cloaky hauler :)
Seraph Minayin
Accounts Payable.
#6 - 2012-08-23 11:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Minayin
Since I've started living in LowSec, I would say the things I am MOST lazy about signing in my alt to fetch are faction and T2 ammos, along with (like Pinstar said) cap booster charges. Nobody likes taking a cloaky into LowSec just so you can keep shooting things.

Possibly with the ASB mania cap boosters are being used even more. Profitable? No clue.

EDIT: Oh and scanning probes/ships (T1)/fittings. Mine tend to get shot alot, and buying Magnates every few days is annoying

Lemming Fleet - First Admiral

Meditril
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2012-08-24 14:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Meditril
I can talk only for (Minmatar) Faction Warefare: Most people fit and upgrade their ships in high-sec simply because at the high-sec trade hubs you can buy everything you need. However, there is still some opportunity to sell stuff in low-sec. Most people are very lazy moving into high-sec just to buy T1/T2 Ammo, T2-Drones or (Navy) Cap-Boosters. Find the base systems of the major blocks (there are usually several, each alliance tends to have its own base system, e.g. Eszur in my case) and start selling stuff at their main station.

Furthermore, you can also earn ISK by providing adequate (!) buy orders for FW-Tags or meta-4 items in low sec. Many low-sec people (includung myself) are too lazy to move into high-sec just for selling cheap stuff.

BTW: If you really start doing such things you need to have a) patience and b) you should advertise this in local channel or with cans for a few weeks. Most people simly are not used to "shopping in low-sec" and therefore they even don't check the market. I am pretty sure once you have proven your realiability you will get a decent customer base.
Lysenko Alland
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
#8 - 2012-08-24 15:00:32 UTC

If you can work the cost into your pricing, you might look into hiring a reputable organization like Black Frog Logistics to move items for sale in bulk, then set up shop. They're blue to a lot of low-sec dwellers, use jump freighters for greater safety, and are completely trustworthy.

I'd imagine to make this work economically, if you can at all, you'd need to max out a shipment, either in collateral or in volume.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#9 - 2012-08-24 17:12:09 UTC
Meditril wrote:
I can talk only for (Minmatar) Faction Warefare: Most people fit and upgrade their ships in high-sec simply because at the high-sec trade hubs you can buy everything you need. However, there is still some opportunity to sell stuff in low-sec. Most people are very lazy moving into high-sec just to buy T1/T2 Ammo, T2-Drones or (Navy) Cap-Boosters. Find the base systems of the major blocks (there are usually several, each alliance tends to have its own base system, e.g. Eszur in my case) and start selling stuff at their main station.

Furthermore, you can also earn ISK by providing adequate (!) buy orders for FW-Tags or meta-4 items in low sec. Many low-sec people (includung myself) are too lazy to move into high-sec just for selling cheap stuff.

BTW: If you really start doing such things you need to have a) patience and b) you should advertise this in local channel or with cans for a few weeks. Most people simly are not used to "shopping in low-sec" and therefore they even don't check the market. I am pretty sure once you have proven your realiability you will get a decent customer base.


The one issue I see with this is that almost nobody are far-seeing enough to prefer purchasing the items over just popping the trader haulers and taking them for free plus killmail.
Meditril
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#10 - 2012-08-25 06:11:14 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

The one issue I see with this is that almost nobody are far-seeing enough to prefer purchasing the items over just popping the trader haulers and taking them for free plus killmail.


This is not an issue if you know how to survive in low-sec. In contrast to 0.0 where you have those pesky bubbles you can travel through low-sec almost 100% safe if you know how to do. I know pirates will hate me for sharing this secret information but here are the rules for you to apply:

  1. Never ever use the Ossogur => Amamake gate. Just applying this rule will safe you 50% of losses if you are trading around the Heimatar area. There are many other (maybe a few jumps longer) ways which are much safer. In other regions there are also well known pirate camp locations... just avoid them.
  2. Get a blockade runner transport (Prowler, Viator, Crane, Prorator) and fit a covert operation cloak on it. With this you can warp cloaked which means you can escape gate camps. Just jump, warp and cloak. Problem solved.
  3. Finally, if you apply the above rules the remaining risk is undocking at a camped station. Solution for this: create insta-warp out bookmarks for all the stations you usually dock at. Then you just undock, warp to bookmark and cloak.


Doing this you can earn a lot of ISK in low-sec. There is not much competition in low-sec with regards to trade, so you get good prices and good margins.

Finally, if you really have the balls to do this here is a list of systems you should consider providing with stuff: Eszur, Kourmonen, Ezzara.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#11 - 2012-08-26 23:36:33 UTC
I traded stuff in systems that were 'first jump' from 0.0.
As mentioned, cap boosters, ammo, drones, scripts, etc.
Eventually it felt like a job, and I stopped refilling, but everything sold sooner or later.

I had buy orders up for ridiculous low prices on things also. They helped fill my cargo for the return haul.

Viator!
YuuKnow
The Scope
#12 - 2012-08-26 23:53:55 UTC
Good advice here. Thanks.

yk
Meditril
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#13 - 2012-08-28 09:31:58 UTC
By the way guys... Killboard like the Milita ones are a good source of information what is needed in faction warefare lowsec. For example check this one: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/

In the kills you will find what ammo people used to kill stuff and most important what people have lost and especially what was dropped. Every drop means that someone has looted the stuff and probably wants to sell it for the quick ISK-injection. Make him a good price in low-sec and you can make a lot of profit by hauling it to high-sec and selling it for a better price. This is especially true for T2-Items and Meta-4 / Faction Stuff.
Alaric Faelen
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-08-29 17:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaric Faelen
While I have to admit that yeah, we scurvy pirates are much more likely to shoot you than let you pass hoping you are carrying ammo we need- it's also true that it's rather easy to move gate to gate safely in low sec.
Most pirates prefer small ships unable to tank gate fire and thus I've watched hundreds of haulers pass right on thru my little slice of New Eden with absolutely nothing to fear from me.

Other than a relative few 'gates of doom', I think care bears vastly over inflate the fear of gate camps. They are extremely uncommon in my experience. I live in low, make dozens of jumps a day there and after loading my avoidance list with a handful of systems- very few camps and then only where you expect- entry points from high sec or null.....
Remember- often what may look like a huge camp fleet on a gate is a roaming fleet with a scout on the other side looking for a target. Don't want to blow up local then expect anyone to fight that lone 'ceptor.....(oh they'll still happily blow you to dust, but just don't mistake this for an actual 'gate camp')

It's a mixed emotion-- I want to kill you....but I welcome your efforts to bring me the ammo to do it...........Lol
JohnathanGalt
Northern Sky Industries
#15 - 2012-08-29 19:01:13 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:


It's a mixed emotion-- I want to kill you....but I welcome your efforts to bring me the ammo to do it...........Lol


Imagine being shot by your own ammo on the way back out of a system, the height of irony.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#16 - 2012-08-30 05:37:10 UTC
JohnathanGalt wrote:
Alaric Faelen wrote:


It's a mixed emotion-- I want to kill you....but I welcome your efforts to bring me the ammo to do it...........Lol


Imagine being shot by your own ammo on the way back out of a system, the height of irony.


It's on the same wave length of those suicide ganking miners' Hulks and then seeing the ganked guy buy a new Hulk from their sell orders. Awesome sauce! Pirate
Istva
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-08-30 17:13:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Istva
Yes Low Sec can be profitable and things do sell quite often. I'm sure the people who are trying to tell you otherwise are pissed I said that. You're gonna have to (possibly) go to some very heated places to move things quickly, but no matter how close high-sec is, there are always a bunch of people too lazy to get on an alt to haul the stuff to them. You will zip in and zip out faster than most people can figure out which gate you are coming from (everyone sucks at d-scanner it seems).

Research what people use and lose the most often (like the killboard above). Pick a few hot spots, or areas that pirates hang out. Haul only a small amount at a time until you feel confident in your ability to outwarp and outmanuver. Another suggestion, make your own bookmarks outside of the station (200km aligned undock, so you can instawarp when you come out).

I haul stuff all the time (not this character, of course), in a simple sigil made for aligning. I rarely, if ever, see gate camps and I've never lost an industrial. I've been doing this for many years.
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-08-31 04:15:04 UTC
One option is to focus on selling the items that the low-sec locals require to actually remain self sustaining.

Consider which construction materials are perhaps difficult to haul, or in short supply in that area. Trit is a great example. Few miners in low sec, and needed for anything = good prices, and the locals will thank you for it.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-08-31 19:31:19 UTC
I've been building shuttles in lowsec, few jumps from hek.

Sold plenty of shuttles for 1.2 Million ISK a pop.

You'll always find people who'll buy your overpriced crap so they don't have to move to highsec.

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