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Farming FW 2: The Two Systems

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#1 - 2012-08-25 15:59:17 UTC
Disclaimer

I'm sure the original developers of this new method have filed petition to confirm this is not an exploit, especially after seeing what happened to the goons when they tried to exploit FW for ISK, however as I don't have it in writing I have taken the liberty of petitioning for myself to confirm this is legitimate gameplay. In the mean time exercise caution as there is a small chance the following practice may constitute an exploit.

You Will need

A character capable of flying a Tengu / Tier 3 BC (standings and faction irrelevant)
Several TLF alts with L4 mission access

You Will Get

The ability to farm missions in 1 system without having to travel anywhere or worry about being killed.

If done well the ability to acquire up to 500k LP / hour (~2.5bn ISK)

Method

Accept several missions on several alts in Olfeim. (The L4 TLF agent in Olfeim only gives missions to Tzvi)

Set clone location to Tzvi.

Destroy Pods.

Spawn missions in Tzvi.

Set clone location to Olfeim.

Destroy Pods

Use your mains to quickly complete the missions in Tier 3 BCs and Tengus in Tzvi.

????

Profit.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-08-25 16:09:32 UTC
i approve of this exploitation of a failed system.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2012-08-25 16:32:03 UTC
Game changing

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#4 - 2012-08-25 16:34:13 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
Game changing


ikr
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#5 - 2012-08-25 16:52:13 UTC
thats quite old. I saw it already used before inferno patch. Fleets of alpha pods are common these days

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
ajdo Esubria
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-25 17:00:56 UTC
So how is that different from having 6 two days old alts in gunless frigs pulling 300m/h each in plexes?
BTW 500k LP/h is like 1 mission every 2.5 min? How is this guy doing this... that fast? Maybe he's using like 5 chars for pulling and 1 for killing, that would be more like it, and it's approx the same that ppl do in best npc 0.0 missions blitzing only fastest ones, rejecting others.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#7 - 2012-08-25 17:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
ajdo Esubria wrote:
So how is that different from having 6 two days old alts in gunless frigs pulling 300m/h each in plexes?


300m/hr from plexes? I think that's some favourable calculation there. True this is also possible but this is of limited supply, whereas the tactic I listed is effectively infinite.


ajdo Esubria wrote:
BTW 500k LP/h is like 1 mission every 2.5 min? How is this guy doing this... that fast? Maybe he's using like 5 chars for pulling and 1 for killing, that would be more like it, and it's approx the same that ppl do in best npc 0.0 missions blitzing only fastest ones, rejecting others.


Yes essentially. I believe missions where supposed to be balanced by making you travel around through hostile space and thus inducing some risk, which is contrary to what is listed above. Its not really the same I don't have any problem with people declining missions.


Bienator II wrote:
I was running missions [hipster.jpg] before it was cool
Emily Radcliffe
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-08-25 17:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Emily Radcliffe
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Disclaimer

I'm sure the original developers of this new method have filed petition to confirm this is not an exploit


Correct. Didn't wait until after, unlike goons.
Dan Carter Murray
#9 - 2012-08-26 01:49:42 UTC
what are the minmatar complaining about now?

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-08-26 04:28:57 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
ajdo Esubria wrote:
So how is that different from having 6 two days old alts in gunless frigs pulling 300m/h each in plexes?


300m/hr from plexes? I think that's some favourable calculation there. True this is also possible but this is of limited supply, whereas the tactic I listed is effectively infinite.


Assuming 5k isk/LP as you did in your oroginal post, 300m/hr is only 60k lp/hr, which is trivially easy to do.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2012-08-26 06:26:10 UTC
Emily Radcliffe wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Disclaimer

I'm sure the original developers of this new method have filed petition to confirm this is not an exploit


Correct. Didn't wait until after, unlike goons.

And the GM's confirmed that an agent sending ALL mission whores to just one system is "as intended"?

Either CCP truly and irrevocably want Eve to become a massive farm like WoW et al. or the GM who handled the case has ineptitude written all over him.

PS: Third option is that GM was not given actual useful data and/or was dragged to his evaluation by careful manipulative wording of petition .. but we player are honourable folk and would never such a thing!!! Smile
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
#12 - 2012-08-26 07:32:31 UTC
so, even when there's no amarr systems to plex in, there's still a large LP source, which doesn't have competition for it, only requires people to be able to keep the opposition out of Tzvi, and cannot be shut off, because Olfeim isn't a contestable system?

that's amazing!

Just the facts.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#13 - 2012-08-26 20:56:13 UTC
Shirley Serious wrote:
so, even when there's no amarr systems to plex in, there's still a large LP source, which doesn't have competition for it, only requires people to be able to keep the opposition out of Tzvi, and cannot be shut off, because Olfeim isn't a contestable system?

that's amazing!


You can begin to see why i might have thought this might be bringing into the spotlight
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#14 - 2012-08-26 21:29:55 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:

Bienator II wrote:
I was running missions [hipster.jpg] before it was cool


what i was saying is that neutrals doing FW missions for alts is nothing new, only supporting your observation.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#15 - 2012-08-27 14:27:33 UTC
This happens once in a while after a patch. The last time I remember this happening was for Caldari in Alparena. I think the Gallente pilots involved called it "The Great Alparena Turkey Shoot".
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#16 - 2012-08-27 16:11:53 UTC
Ah yes, those were some good times. 40 stealth bomber kills in 2 days

X Gallentius wrote:
This happens once in a while after a patch. The last time I remember this happening was for Caldari in Alparena. I think the Gallente pilots involved called it "The Great Alparena Turkey Shoot".

nom nom
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-08-27 16:41:08 UTC
I'm Dramaticus and I support this message

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#18 - 2012-08-27 17:47:48 UTC
Speaking as "one of those goons" who previously broke FW, I think it's cute that you think it being "entirely within legitimate game mechanics" matters in any way. Whether that matters or not is entirely up to CCP Sreegs, and his whims are fickle indeed.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#19 - 2012-08-27 18:08:52 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Speaking as "one of those goons" who previously broke FW, I think it's cute that you think it being "entirely within legitimate game mechanics" matters in any way. Whether that matters or not is entirely up to CCP Sreegs, and his whims are fickle indeed.
BTW, thank you for allowing me to cash out at Tier 5 without having to use a single LP for upgrades.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#20 - 2012-08-27 18:13:23 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Speaking as "one of those goons" who previously broke FW, I think it's cute that you think it being "entirely within legitimate game mechanics" matters in any way. Whether that matters or not is entirely up to CCP Sreegs, and his whims are fickle indeed.


I think the problem lies in poorly thought through game mechanics. (I mean the goon exploit was obviously going to happen, I even chatted about it with others but never put the effort in to find the items with silly 'values' or work out how to manipulate them)

This is clearly an exploit as if agents were only supposed to send missions to one system they all would, don't pretend this is 'working as intended'.


And yes Sreegs is the blunt tool that comes in to defend CCP's eHonour after they invariably screw up (ATX, FW etc..) and generally posting as if there is some kind of award for beating DCM at [the one that isn't - ship-toasting]
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