Market Discussions

Many months ago, CCP increased the drop rate of meta4 modules. It probably happened around the time they removed the drop of manufacturable mods.

Now, nearly all meta4 modules have crashed hard meaning less profits for missioners and ratters. The important thing to keep in mind here is that those profits were not from an isk faucet, instead they moved around existing player isk, which is very good for the game.

Most meta4 modules except weapons are superior to their T2 counterpart in some way, and with the prices crashing, have encroached onto the T2 market.

So we have missioners, ratters, T2 module dealers and pvp loot cleaners making less profit of the good kind, the moving existing isk around kind.

What the hell was the point of that?

which is why most t2 modules except weapons have crashed in price right?

wait no they haven't. stop posting.

Do you not see the drastic supply increase in the market history graphs for the popular meta4 mods?

Drop rates were not increased, meta 0 items were removed from dropping.


You think meta 4 items have dropped in price? Look at the prices of most T1 items that are made from manufacturing. It's basically worthless to waste time manufacturing most T1 modules these days.

As for the prices crashing its a simple matter of supply and demand. Meta 4 cost way more then most people are willing to pay for small boosts. Also by your own words if they increased the drop rate which lowered the value, the value would stay the same if they were more valuable but dropped less, again supply and demand. More dropping for mission runners at a lower value wouldn't change anything.

Also since meta 4 are only dropped from rats this simply means more people are mission running which, you guessed it, way more supply then what demands for the items.


Most are almost or as good but at a price cost of 5x of their T2 variation, and are generally only used if you cannot fit a T2 version. Generally most people dont bother with Meta 4 if they can fit T2's because of the huge price difference.

Also the cheaper meta 4 items drop the cheaper T2 invention drops, meaning even if T2 prices drop the costs to manufacture them drop as well, so good.



You have yourselves to blame. Meta 4 are dropped as loot. The more loot that is dropped the more that is sold the more prices drop. There isn't anything magical happening here.

The one big thing that has changed in the last month is that with mineral prices so high people were most likely re-processing all their loot drops and selling the minerals. Now that prices of minerals have been dropping people are instead selling the items instead of reprocessing. Less minerals in a couple of weeks means mineral prices will go up, people will reprocess items again and on and on.

It almost sounds like an economy doesn't it?!

I don't buy the argument of incursioners doing missions now, because the price those mods pre-incursion was even higher.

I guess it is possible that people are reprocessing less, but to the extend of increasing supply two or four fold? I guess we could check to see if the supply increase coincides with the hangar value feature addition.

Supply changes are not announced.

Meta 4 modules market volume has doubled around the same time as we had the Incursion nerf, there was really no changes (to the opposite direction) to the meta 4 prices when Incursions were first introduced as far as I remember.

Most meta 4 modules were very stable in price for years, for example I used to have Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor 4-5 years ago and the price hovered around 4-5mil, today its under 1mil and going lower. Downhill for them and all other meta 4 started in late April.

As well a lot of meta 3 used to be worth a decent amount, but these days all meta 3 sells around the price of metal scraps.

I don't think it was Incursions that destroyed the market, but as well I haven't been able to put my finger on what it might be. Seems like a stealth nerf by CCP, but they are denying it so we can only keep guessing.

It is sad that this happened it used to be rewarding getting meta 4 drops, now its almost like no drop at all.

More modules making it to market is not evidence of more drops, only evidence of more modules making it to the market. Unless you can prove more modules are actually dropping, then we're going to go with CCP on it.

I find it sad that most meta items are now totally worthless. Before incursion there was a delicate balance on whether to use meta items or T2. Granted, the prices for meta 4 were a bit too high, but now the pendulum has swung completely to the other side.

Any drop that you get with the exception of a few rare modules are more or less pointless now.

Not really, almost every meta 4 e-war item is better than it's T2 counterpart, scram, webs, dampner, painter etc. The RR and neut items are the second group and then you have random stuff like DC and the whole beta xxxxx energy group.
Many of them are used in PvP, especially the stuff with lower CPU requirements.

I bought enough of all meta 4 to fit for the next 2years ;), i was blown away by 2m Internal Force Fields I and 1m meta 4 scram, webs.

Oh dear... I suppose that I should stop reprocessing everything from Meta 1 to Meta 3 then? I had no idea, sorry. If T2 manufacturers need them then we'll certainly keep them up for sale instead of scrapping them. More T2 makes everyone happy, after all.