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[Proposal] Rewarding skillpoints to testers and bughunters
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Blastfizzle
The Chosen 0nes
#1 - 2011-10-13 20:57:12 UTC
Good evening.

As you probably know, about two times per month CCP QA team is hosting a so called 'Mass test' on the Singularity test server in order to try out new stuff, optimize old stuff, etc., as the thin-client CCP uses to conduct testing internally can not catch everything. Please see Mass testing on wiki for more information.

As a reward for participating in the test, players are awarded 2 milion skillpoints on Singularity to allocate however they want.

But I do believe that these fellow capsuleers, who sacrifice their own time to help our benefactors in the everlasting quest of improving EVE, deserve a little bit more.

Therefore I propose:
Award mass test participants unallocated skillpoints on Tranquility


As 2 milion SP would be unbalancing (and crashing SiSi), I suggest 10 to 20 thousand - approximately five to ten hours worth of training.
It is small enough a boost to envy, while at the same time showing some solid gratitude to the volunteers.
Something similar could be applied to those finding a bug and submiting a good bugreport - please see this sticky thread. (awarding the first dozen or so people that report that particular bug, as to prevent abusive spamming).

Importantly, this would probably bring even more players to the tests, allowing the QA team to gather more data.
(If I recall correctly, on the 1.10.2011 mass test CCP asked for 500 players, while only 350 came - Testing results on wiki)

I am looking foward to Your comments, opinions, and bumps.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-13 21:31:07 UTC
Blastfizzle wrote:
Good evening.

As you probably know, about two times per month CCP QA team is hosting a so called 'Mass test' on the Singularity test server in order to try out new stuff, optimize old stuff, etc., as the thin-client CCP uses to conduct testing internally can not catch everything. Please see Mass testing on wiki for more information.

As a reward for participating in the test, players are awarded 2 milion skillpoints on Singularity to allocate however they want.

But I do believe that these fellow capsuleers, who sacrifice their own time to help our benefactors in the everlasting quest of improving EVE, deserve a little bit more.

Therefore I propose:
Award mass test participants unallocated skillpoints on Tranquility


As 2 milion SP would be unbalancing (and crashing SiSi), I suggest 10 to 20 thousand - approximately five to ten hours worth of training.
It is small enough a boost to envy, while at the same time showing some solid gratitude to the volunteers.
Something similar could be applied to those finding a bug and submiting a good bugreport - please see this sticky thread. (awarding the first dozen or so people that report that particular bug, as to prevent abusive spamming).

Importantly, this would probably bring even more players to the tests, allowing the QA team to gather more data.
(If I recall correctly, on the 1.10.2011 mass test CCP asked for 500 players, while only 350 came - Testing results on wiki)

I am looking foward to Your comments, opinions, and bumps.

hell no

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#3 - 2011-10-13 22:43:17 UTC
Blastfizzle wrote:
Good evening.

As you probably know, about two times per month CCP QA team is hosting a so called 'Mass test' on the Singularity test server in order to try out new stuff, optimize old stuff, etc., as the thin-client CCP uses to conduct testing internally can not catch everything. Please see Mass testing on wiki for more information.

As a reward for participating in the test, players are awarded 2 milion skillpoints on Singularity to allocate however they want.

But I do believe that these fellow capsuleers, who sacrifice their own time to help our benefactors in the everlasting quest of improving EVE, deserve a little bit more.

Therefore I propose:
Award mass test participants unallocated skillpoints on Tranquility


As 2 milion SP would be unbalancing (and crashing SiSi), I suggest 10 to 20 thousand - approximately five to ten hours worth of training.
It is small enough a boost to envy, while at the same time showing some solid gratitude to the volunteers.
Something similar could be applied to those finding a bug and submiting a good bugreport - please see this sticky thread. (awarding the first dozen or so people that report that particular bug, as to prevent abusive spamming).

Importantly, this would probably bring even more players to the tests, allowing the QA team to gather more data.
(If I recall correctly, on the 1.10.2011 mass test CCP asked for 500 players, while only 350 came - Testing results on wiki)

I am looking foward to Your comments, opinions, and bumps.


Would be game breaking. GTFO of here with your idea. Stupid idea is stupid.

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Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#4 - 2011-10-13 22:44:44 UTC
For once he has the right idea, good job Draconis, you use those two brain cells!!!!

but back to the main issue, This would give a very unbalanced advantaged to people that pay attention to their calender/have other things to do/don't care. While they should get some shiny toy from CCP for slaving over a game, this shiny toy should be worthless.... like a shiny mug for their CQ or something :D

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Endovior
PFU Consortium
#5 - 2011-10-13 22:47:28 UTC
Disagree with the opinions posted thus far; a small amount (hours worth) of SP given out on no more then a monthly basis to people who actually help out CCP on important issues would not at all be out of place. I support the OP.
Hiroshi Yakasuki
Yakasuki Enterprises
#6 - 2011-10-13 22:48:05 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:

hell no

WTB a real comeback with substance.

As far as the thread goes.

I like the idea as long as it isnt more often than they usually do the tests and that perhaps only the first X pilots get it (i.e. they ask for 500 and 700 show up, only the first 500 get the bonus. ) XOR the bonus is a set amount of SP split among the participants.
Adunh Slavy
#7 - 2011-10-13 23:32:36 UTC
This will likley decrease the quality of reports but increase the volume.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-14 00:54:50 UTC
Hiroshi Yakasuki wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:

hell no

WTB a real comeback with substance.

As far as the thread goes.

I like the idea as long as it isnt more often than they usually do the tests and that perhaps only the first X pilots get it (i.e. they ask for 500 and 700 show up, only the first 500 get the bonus. ) XOR the bonus is a set amount of SP split among the participants.


speaking of brain cells not being rubbed.


All we need is to incite a mob of SP hungry pilots who care nothing but for profit and SP's to train skills faster and give CCP inaccurate reports on bugs/issues on an already bug riddled game.

Like i said... HELL NO.

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Rawbone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-14 01:39:27 UTC
Skill points, no. A vanity item like perhaps a Singularity jacket, sure, why not. No in game advantage and yet your participation would be duly recognized.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#10 - 2011-10-14 01:47:26 UTC
That's better reasoning then your first response.

Even so, a lot of the recent testing has been stuff like mass tests, where what is desired is precisely just hundreds of people running around doing stuff, with no need for specific reports being filed. That kind of thing is precisely where CCP most needs lots of people hanging out, and offering SP incentives for that makes perfect sense.

As for the other thing, where CCP needs specific and detailed reports, then they might instead offer SP bounties on good reports... where 'good' is defined as 'useful to the devs'. Imbalanced? You betcha. But it'd work, and no one but the most dedicated bughunters would get more then a few days of training time out of it. And let's face it... they probably deserve it.
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#11 - 2011-10-14 03:02:46 UTC
Everytime you come up with stupid ideas such as this, a kitten dies. This is just stealth QQ for skillpoints.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-14 05:49:20 UTC
guys its like 4 hours worth of training, its not a huge boost especially of there is only 1 test a month or so. its not game breaking at all.
quality of reports??? are you ********? if 350 go, they might get 50 reports, 10 will mean anything
if 500 go 80 might be sent in and 15 might mean something... not to mention more people means the devs themselves can monitor the situations.

it couldnt hurt. i say make it 2 hours worth of training though. basically its like training 2 times as fast while at the mass test.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#13 - 2011-10-14 10:26:13 UTC
Not supported.

It was a mistake for CCP to give out skill points out for anything except the removal of the learning skills.

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Blastfizzle
The Chosen 0nes
#14 - 2011-10-14 12:15:39 UTC
Rented wrote:
Everytime you come up with stupid ideas such as this, a kitten dies. This is just stealth QQ for skillpoints.


Never liked kittens anyway.
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#15 - 2011-10-14 13:57:56 UTC
Blastfizzle wrote:
Rented wrote:
Everytime you come up with stupid ideas such as this, a kitten dies. This is just stealth QQ for skillpoints.


Never liked kittens anyway.

This is why your a terrible person with terrible ideas.
Still don't support.
Too many exploits could be had from this.
Give out mug or something else I can break over a hobo's head when they knock on my door.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-14 14:17:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Angry Onions wrote:
Blastfizzle wrote:
Rented wrote:
Everytime you come up with stupid ideas such as this, a kitten dies. This is just stealth QQ for skillpoints.


Never liked kittens anyway.

This is why your a terrible person with terrible ideas.
Still don't support.
Too many exploits could be had from this.
Give out mug or something else I can break over a hobo's head when they knock on my door.



For once I actually agree.

Better to award vanity items or some actual real stuff like EVE Strategic Maps or EVE Online paperback books or some T-shirts.


Getting an in-game advantage for testing something like crazy is going to pollute the results of those tests.


This game is screwed up enough already as it is...we don't need SP hungry pilots making it more jaded than it is.

I mean I'd rather see like faction ships or something awarded.... at least it has value...and that value can be destroyed like everything else in this game.

SP's are a little more difficult to remove. Vanity Items are harmless for the most part... but for the love of all things good lets not make it WORSE than it already is.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#17 - 2011-10-14 14:33:06 UTC
And as much as I hate to agree with 0:7, I'm going to have to. ****, even give the testers some Aurum so they can buy something in the NeX Store.

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Blastfizzle
The Chosen 0nes
#18 - 2011-10-14 16:41:07 UTC
Vanity items - how then would you encourage people to attend a test or submit a bugreport more than once? Also, I am not sure if people change their appereance often enough. And giving out


Also, EVERY pilot in EVE is SP hungry - but only a tiny fraction would spend 2 hours just to get something they would get anyway.
It would still be significantly more time-effective to run mission and buy better implants/pvp with better implants than to attend.



Assuming 2000 SP/hour (I am training 2580/hour at the moment by the way), and a 30 day month: 1 440 000 SP a month.
Should a player earn 20 000 SP by testing and/or submiting quality bugreports, he would be cca 1.3% percent better.
Is that really so unbalancing?
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-10-14 16:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Blastfizzle wrote:
Vanity items - how then would you encourage people to attend a test or submit a bugreport more than once? Also, I am not sure if people change their appereance often enough. And giving out


Also, EVERY pilot in EVE is SP hungry - but only a tiny fraction would spend 2 hours just to get something they would get anyway.
It would still be significantly more time-effective to run mission and buy better implants/pvp with better implants than to attend.



Assuming 2000 SP/hour (I am training 2580/hour at the moment by the way), and a 30 day month: 1 440 000 SP a month.
Should a player earn 20 000 SP by testing and/or submiting quality bugreports, he would be cca 1.3% percent better.
Is that really so unbalancing?



You have no business asking that question if you don't understand why we are so passionate enough to tell you hell no.

I'll give you a ltitle hint.

Some of us actaully put a little time time into our accounts and don't like it when peolpe are given shortcuts for something that will not have a lasting impact on game in a good way.

Givnig CCP botched bug reports or showing up for a test evevnt for SP's won't be for the bug reprots...it will be for the SP's.

This is a question of motivation...not goals. They wont give a crap about filing reports. THAT is the point. Let alone showing up to test something that is likely going to be utterly boring or reptitive.

Singualrity kills don't count after all as an example.

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Blastfizzle
The Chosen 0nes
#20 - 2011-10-14 18:14:46 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:

You have no business asking that question if you don't understand why we are so passionate enough to tell you hell no.

I'll give you a ltitle hint.

Some of us actaully put a little time time into our accounts and don't like it when peolpe are given shortcuts for something that will not have a lasting impact on game in a good way.

Givnig CCP botched bug reports or showing up for a test evevnt for SP's won't be for the bug reprots...it will be for the SP's.

This is a question of motivation...not goals. They wont give a crap about filing reports. THAT is the point. Let alone showing up to test something that is likely going to be utterly boring or reptitive.

Singualrity kills don't count after all as an example.



It will have good impact - as the QA team will have more data, leading to better game.

As not to spam the reports - that's why I suggested awarding only first dozen or so of quality reports.
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