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Planned lowsec sentry "fix" - you guys serious?

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#881 - 2012-08-24 22:41:40 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Ever think thats because you were in a high sec pocket with consistent through traffic,...


And of course most people are where traffic isn't.

Roll


Nicwe quote mine there, perhaps if you read the rest of what i wrote you'd realise i went on to say that you cant apply conclusions drawn from one area to the whole. I'll spell it out for you just on the off chance you arent trolling and are genuinely this thick. Issler is actually trying to imply that because a lowsec area with features unlike most of the rest of lowsec had a 90 minute camp on it that camping is common place, we all know that for the bullshit it is.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#882 - 2012-08-24 23:01:27 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
I'll spell it out for you just on the off chance you arent trolling and are genuinely this thick. Issler is actually trying to imply that because a lowsec area with features unlike most of the rest of lowsec had a 90 minute camp on it that camping is common place, we all know that for the bullshit it is.

So is Issler trolling or genuinely that thick, in your opinion?

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#883 - 2012-08-24 23:19:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
I'll spell it out for you just on the off chance you arent trolling and are genuinely this thick. Issler is actually trying to imply that because a lowsec area with features unlike most of the rest of lowsec had a 90 minute camp on it that camping is common place, we all know that for the bullshit it is.

So is Issler trolling or genuinely that thick, in your opinion?


Honestly I dont know, Im actually hoping for the first because if its the second then its kinda depressing someone that dumb could get on the CSM in the first place.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#884 - 2012-08-25 01:21:25 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Well, depends on the care bear. For example if they can get into low sec they can consider trade at stations, explore the belts, search for anomolies or even consider missions that require low sec. Don't get me wrong, this alone is not the "get the bear into low sec fix" but reducing gate camps will have to part of the solution once other carrots are put into low sec to make risk/reward make sense in this under utilized portion of space.

And to be fair I should have reworded my post. What I was really reacting to was that this issue is not "clear support against and none for", there was support for variations of the idea with players as well as those against. Not acknowledging that some folks liked the idea in general (including a few CSM) was what prompted me to post.

I don't think gate gun changes are as dead as some may have suggested. Also, the real discussion should be broader about how to improve low sec for everyone.

Issler
You are clueless.

Gate camps are not prolific. I hop into and out of lowsec many many many times per week and rarely encounter gate camps.

Rancer and Amamake are not indicative of all lowsec/highsec border systems. If you think that, then you're a damned fool.

You might want to start travelling into lowsec, Issler, before spouting off your nonsense.


I live in low sec so I definitely know what I'm talking about. Last night there was a camp on at least one of the gates ot the three systems I was running trade through for about 90% of the two hours I was on.

Our corp used to operate in a high sec bubble in the middle of low sec and because the major routes in and out were constantly camped we moved almost all our activity out.

Maybe you need to spend more time in low sec.

Issler


Wait a minute....you live in low sec, got enough people to vote for you to win a trip to Iceland and you can't bust a gate camp....


You DON'T know what you're talking about. Who cares about the 2 hours you had to play. In that time if you can't avoid or destroy a static camp with a batphone alone you should be impeached as a representative of EVE players. If you're talking about Titans bombing gates then you really don't know what you're talking about because that only happens in a couple places which are easy to avoid.

Good luck on the next contest to win a vacation with these quotes floating around....friggen clueless trader looking to be can clouded and inty ganked....what a maroon.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#885 - 2012-08-25 01:24:09 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
I'll spell it out for you just on the off chance you arent trolling and are genuinely this thick. Issler is actually trying to imply that because a lowsec area with features unlike most of the rest of lowsec had a 90 minute camp on it that camping is common place, we all know that for the bullshit it is.

So is Issler trolling or genuinely that thick, in your opinion?


Honestly I dont know, Im actually hoping for the first because if its the second then its kinda depressing someone that dumb could get on the CSM in the first place.

Hm, so (to you) it's better if the CSM person is trolling you.

Interesting.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#886 - 2012-08-25 09:26:27 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
I'll spell it out for you just on the off chance you arent trolling and are genuinely this thick. Issler is actually trying to imply that because a lowsec area with features unlike most of the rest of lowsec had a 90 minute camp on it that camping is common place, we all know that for the bullshit it is.

So is Issler trolling or genuinely that thick, in your opinion?


Honestly I dont know, Im actually hoping for the first because if its the second then its kinda depressing someone that dumb could get on the CSM in the first place.

Hm, so (to you) it's better if the CSM person is trolling you.

Interesting.


If the alternative is an idea that completely destroys my playstyle then yes I would. What i would really like is for them to actually be aware of and educated on issues in an area before they start commenting on it, something Issler has demonstrated an utter lack of ability in despite claiming to live in the area concerned.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Frying Doom
#887 - 2012-08-25 10:24:41 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
I'll spell it out for you just on the off chance you arent trolling and are genuinely this thick. Issler is actually trying to imply that because a lowsec area with features unlike most of the rest of lowsec had a 90 minute camp on it that camping is common place, we all know that for the bullshit it is.

So is Issler trolling or genuinely that thick, in your opinion?


Honestly I dont know, Im actually hoping for the first because if its the second then its kinda depressing someone that dumb could get on the CSM in the first place.

Hm, so (to you) it's better if the CSM person is trolling you.

Interesting.


If the alternative is an idea that completely destroys my playstyle then yes I would. What i would really like is for them to actually be aware of and educated on issues in an area before they start commenting on it, something Issler has demonstrated an utter lack of ability in despite claiming to live in the area concerned.

Well if you feel that strongly...Run next year for the CSM.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

drunk asfck
Doomheim
#888 - 2012-08-25 10:35:14 UTC
It be great to get a true pirate onto CSM as long they look afta lo-sec intrests they have my vote and im sure most other lo-sec dwellers votes

becouse atm from isslers veiws and post this dude is utterly clueless in lo-sec matters oh and i forgot he/she lived on hi-sec island that had to pass through lo-sec so he/she must know what they talking about

but good idea lets get a pirate into CSM
Frying Doom
#889 - 2012-08-25 10:43:35 UTC
drunk asfck wrote:
It be great to get a true pirate onto CSM as long they look afta lo-sec intrests they have my vote and im sure most other lo-sec dwellers votes

becouse atm from isslers veiws and post this dude is utterly clueless in lo-sec matters oh and i forgot he/she lived on hi-sec island that had to pass through lo-sec so he/she must know what they talking about

but good idea lets get a pirate into CSM

The fact that you are getting responses from a CSM is a good thing as it means they are communicating.

The fact they are not telling you what you want to hear is not surprising, they don't have a paid staff to tell them what to say like normal politicians and they do not play the same way you do.

Frankly the fact they are responding is great, no matter what they say but if you disagree run for the CSM or back someone or as pirates threaten some noobs to vote for your candidate. Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

drunk asfck
Doomheim
#890 - 2012-08-25 11:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen 76959458561
m8 comon its not about not earing what i want to ear

read isslers posts m8 clearly someone who has no clue about lo-sec life bu t suports the sentry buff

now if i dont know about something im not gona put my opinion across make out like i know what im talking about and look like a idiot

would be better to do bit resurch go and live with a actual lo-sec crowd for a bit then come back with full understanding of the subject beeing debated not just asume sh!t on miniman experiance and knoladge

and about CSM i av no intrest in these matters but i would gladly suport someone running for CSM with 2 years min lo-sec experiance


i honestly belive this sentry gun buff has nothing to do with lo-sec pirate gate camps but more to do with opening lo-sec to carbare types to fill the lo-sec planets for Dusty's to fight over


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Frying Doom
#891 - 2012-08-25 11:27:28 UTC
drunk asfck wrote:
m8 comon its not about not earing what i want to ear

read isslers posts m8 clearly someone who has no clue about lo-sec life bu t suports the sentry buff

now if i dont know about something im not gona put my opinion across make out like i know what im talking about and look like a idiot

would be better to do bit resurch go and live with a actual lo-sec crowd for a bit then come back with full understanding of the subject beeing debated not just asume sh!t on miniman experiance and knoladge

and about CSM i av no intrest in these matters but i would gladly suport someone running for CSM with 2 years min lo-sec experiance


i honestly belive this sentry gun buff has nothing to do with lo-sec pirate gate camps but more to do with opening lo-sec to carbare types to fill the lo-sec planets for Dusty's to fight over


Initially, DUST 514 mercenaries will be able to join EVE Online players to participate in factional warfare happening at the contested boundaries between the large EVE Universe empires.

http://www.dust514.com/game/faq/

So you want to ***** but you don't want to do it yourself.

And apparently you would prefer if CSM members never said anything because if they did they would always find someone whos opinions they differed too. And as they are unpaid for their time and am sure they would still like to play having them all run off for a bit to every area that everyone complained about would mean that is all they would do. They wouldn't have time to suggest anything to anyone they would be running around with their butts on fire.

The Current CSM has a lo-sec member in it, he is not the one that responded.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

drunk asfck
Doomheim
#892 - 2012-08-25 11:39:44 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
drunk asfck wrote:
m8 comon its not about not earing what i want to ear

read isslers posts m8 clearly someone who has no clue about lo-sec life bu t suports the sentry buff

now if i dont know about something im not gona put my opinion across make out like i know what im talking about and look like a idiot

would be better to do bit resurch go and live with a actual lo-sec crowd for a bit then come back with full understanding of the subject beeing debated not just asume sh!t on miniman experiance and knoladge

and about CSM i av no intrest in these matters but i would gladly suport someone running for CSM with 2 years min lo-sec experiance


i honestly belive this sentry gun buff has nothing to do with lo-sec pirate gate camps but more to do with opening lo-sec to carbare types to fill the lo-sec planets for Dusty's to fight over


Initially, DUST 514 mercenaries will be able to join EVE Online players to participate in factional warfare happening at the contested boundaries between the large EVE Universe empires.

http://www.dust514.com/game/faq/

So you want to ***** but you don't want to do it yourself.

And apparently you would prefer if CSM members never said anything because if they did they would always find someone whos opinions they differed too. And as they are unpaid for their time and am sure they would still like to play having them all run off for a bit to every area that everyone complained about would mean that is all they would do. They wouldn't have time to suggest anything to anyone they would be running around with their butts on fire.

The Current CSM has a lo-sec member in it, he is not the one that responded.


i didnt say wanted csm to keep mouth shut

i said do some resurch b4 open mouth that effects thousends of pll

getting off topic now this is not a issler is a fck wit thread its sentry buff whine thread can we please get back on topic
Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#893 - 2012-08-25 13:26:34 UTC
Isalone wrote:
Quote:
CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.


I've lived in lowsec for quite a while now and gotta tell you - this is probably gonna cause as much "whine 'n' unsub" threads as nex store/greed is good did. For those who don't go to low often - most of fleet/gang fights in low take place at gates. If gateguns are gonna pop carriers 4.5mins into the fight, cruiser/bc fleets going gcc on a gate aren't gonna happen at all. When was the last time you have seen a carrier at a gate? I don't think I've ever seen one.

Gatecamps - those aren't the problem, people who won't learn/adapt are. You can easily get through all of them, just do a little research.

discuss, lol



funny how gate campers are crying over this..

most competent gate campers warp off after gate aggression and the combat is done. then warp back some 15+ minutes later.

adapt or **** off.
Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#894 - 2012-08-25 13:39:06 UTC
I wasn't aware that low sec sentry guns were broken. I participate in fleets that roam both null and low sec looking for fights. In low sec we commonly fight on gates. Typically we try to bait the other side into attacking first, so they get the gcc and resulting sentry gun fire, but on occasion we will go gcc (especially if we are already in a fight and we need to hit the other sides logi or ecm ships).

Right now we don't use frigates much in low sec, this might change that a little. But this will probably end most of our fights on gate. We don't do much quick ganks, which is what this will require gate fights to become. On a positive note we won't have to roam so much in low sec and people who want actual small to medium gang fights will have to come into null sec to do it.

I also don't see how this will undermine gate camps, it will just change how they are organized, with a group on gate without gcc waiting for a solo ship to gank, and those with gcc waiting it out away from the guns.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#895 - 2012-08-25 14:18:47 UTC
Might I remind people that personal attacks and insults have no place in a discussion. If you cannot pose or answer a question without resorting to such tactics, I suggest you do not post at all. The thread has been cleaned, again, and I hope for the last time.

Also, since it appears many people have missed it, here is a statement from a member of the CSM regarding this subject. Please read it and take careful note before posting here.


Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
o/ Hello again pod people.

Just wanted to stop by and give you a brief update, after speaking with CCP Greyscale about the gate gun changes in great detail, he's once again assured me and the CSM that this gate gun idea was just an idea he was toying with, and not something that is definitely in the pipeline for development. After the flood of player feedback as well as my own urging for him to reconsider this, its no longer an idea that is being pushed forward anyways. I'll be monitoring his work on GCC, sec status, and crimewatch in general as we move futher into Winter, but as of right now the gate gun idea has stalled.

The minute that status changes - I'll let the community know as soon as possible so we can continue "the resistance". But in the meantime, there's not much to fight against because this doesn't appear to be moving past the idea stage, thanks to all who have spoken up.



Please post respectfully and sensibly in future - ISD type40.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#896 - 2012-08-26 00:44:29 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Well, depends on the care bear. For example if they can get into low sec they can consider trade at stations, explore the belts, search for anomolies or even consider missions that require low sec. Don't get me wrong, this alone is not the "get the bear into low sec fix" but reducing gate camps will have to part of the solution once other carrots are put into low sec to make risk/reward make sense in this under utilized portion of space.

And to be fair I should have reworded my post. What I was really reacting to was that this issue is not "clear support against and none for", there was support for variations of the idea with players as well as those against. Not acknowledging that some folks liked the idea in general (including a few CSM) was what prompted me to post.

I don't think gate gun changes are as dead as some may have suggested. Also, the real discussion should be broader about how to improve low sec for everyone.

Issler
You are clueless.

Gate camps are not prolific. I hop into and out of lowsec many many many times per week and rarely encounter gate camps.

Rancer and Amamake are not indicative of all lowsec/highsec border systems. If you think that, then you're a damned fool.

You might want to start travelling into lowsec, Issler, before spouting off your nonsense.


I live in low sec so I definitely know what I'm talking about. Last night there was a camp on at least one of the gates ot the three systems I was running trade through for about 90% of the two hours I was on.

Our corp used to operate in a high sec bubble in the middle of low sec and because the major routes in and out were constantly camped we moved almost all our activity out.

Maybe you need to spend more time in low sec.

Issler


Wait a minute....you live in low sec, got enough people to vote for you to win a trip to Iceland and you can't bust a gate camp....


You DON'T know what you're talking about. Who cares about the 2 hours you had to play. In that time if you can't avoid or destroy a static camp with a batphone alone you should be impeached as a representative of EVE players. If you're talking about Titans bombing gates then you really don't know what you're talking about because that only happens in a couple places which are easy to avoid.

Good luck on the next contest to win a vacation with these quotes floating around....friggen clueless trader looking to be can clouded and inty ganked....what a maroon.


I regularly run the camps and the folks that voted me in largely agree with me on this. The folks that disagree aren't the ones I expect any support from. So this wouldn't have any affect if I was inclined to run again. Also, I'm not a CSM that goes to Iceland and if you ask the ones that do it is not a vacation.

Issler
ShadowNeo29
O.S.E.F
#897 - 2012-08-26 12:09:44 UTC
Double defenses would have been much appreciated by everyone that your "patch".
Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#898 - 2012-08-26 18:49:08 UTC
for the record..

I have used interceptors on low sec gates and popped pods with it and gotten away.

its all about timing.

1st

as someone jumps into low sec from high sec.
gatecamp tanker shoots gate,
gate agro's tanker
frig's/ceptors tackle said target.
everyone else if possible shoots and kills the target.

nothing will really change if ccp go ahead with the proposal.

so once again adapt or go away!
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#899 - 2012-08-26 20:09:02 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


I regularly run the camps and the folks that voted me in largely agree with me on this. The folks that disagree aren't the ones I expect any support from. So this wouldn't have any affect if I was inclined to run again. Also, I'm not a CSM that goes to Iceland and if you ask the ones that do it is not a vacation.

Issler



Oh, I understand now. You're the CSM's token carebear. Good job!
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#900 - 2012-08-26 21:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


I regularly run the camps and the folks that voted me in largely agree with me on this. The folks that disagree aren't the ones I expect any support from. So this wouldn't have any affect if I was inclined to run again. Also, I'm not a CSM that goes to Iceland and if you ask the ones that do it is not a vacation.

Issler



Oh, I understand now. You're the CSM's token carebear. Good job!

It's beyond me how you came to that conclusion from what she posted. But I'll have another go at it.

Issler is explaining that she ran on a platform for which she got elected as CSM. If you did not agree on her platform to begin with she doesn't expect you to really agree with her on this issue. If that's the case, you are not her targeted audience and not really after your vote to begin with.

I suspect that if she would have run on a platform favorable to your ideals you would have refrained from calling her a "token" of any kind. She isn't, ergo, in your world, she must be a puppet.

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