Ships & Modules

Hi,

I am planning on moving my alt character into fleet support and I am a little confused about the benefits/cons of a Command Ship vs a Boosting T3.

I beleive the difference is that a T3 is more focused on one particular path of boosting whereas a Command Ship can boost many of the categories at the same time.

Is this correct?

Also.... could someone please post some typical setups for a Minnie command ship and T3?

Regards

Barrak

*edit*

Is there a good guide or manual on leadership/boosting?

Thanks for the detailed reply.

My alt already has the spec skills to 4, bar one which I forget currently (an oversite). So it was more of a case of deciding which ships to train for.

My alt only has BC2 currently for max harvesting, however I was considering getting him into the BC3's which would then make a move into Command ships a sensible move, however as we both live in a Wormhole, I love the idea of getting him into a Loki.

That said, I assume the principal of having to be uncloaked still applies to boosters? In which case, it may not be the best decision.


I've just a had a nosey at my old corps wiki page (Agony) which I remembered became public a whilst back and there was some good information in there, however it did raise one question, which I hope someone can answer:

It stated that providing the fleet is setup correctly the fleet commander will pass down his bonuses to the entire fleet, the wing commander will pass down his bonuses to the entire wing and the Squad commander the same to the his Squad.

1. It says that the strongest booster will be passed down, thus if I have a fleet commander with Information Spec 4 and have three wings, two of which have a leader, that amongst other things, has Information Spec 5, will those two wings get a L5 bonus whereas the remaining Wing will only get the L4 bonus from the fleet commander?

2. If say I have three wings, one of which is a repping wing, one is a fleet Inty wing and the last is a pure combat wing, will putting leaders at Wing Command, that have the relevant boosting skills, mean that their wings only will get boosted for their setup?

Or another way of putting it, if the fleet is setup correctly and the wing commanders (or Squad commanders) have superior Wing specific boosting skills (as listed above), will they pass them down?

3. If a fleet is setup with a strict Wing/Squad setup, as listed above, and the fleet commander isnt particular good at boosting skills, but as the relevant skills for putting the fleet together, is it considered a major drawback, even if the wing/squad commands are strong for their choosen task?

Apologies if the questions are a little unforum related.

Regards

Barrak


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He does infact have pretty good mining boosting skills already and can fly an Orca (just can't afford one) as he started life out as a miner....... yawn.

Gang links are active modules and as such don't run when cloaked

1) correct
2) yup, lets assume (as an easy example) you have both shield as armor tankers. So you then put the skirmish links on top as you all want those bonuses and then create 2 wings or squads (depending on fleet size) each one with their respective tanking type gang links. So everyone will get the skirmish gang links and only the selected ones will get their shield or armor gang link bonuses
3) the only "problem" is that the bonuses don't go up the chain so the FC himself won't get affected by the better bonuses. Thing is ofcourse that it's simply not logical to put someone on top who lacks good skills/bonuses, as such it's a bit of a non-issue

deeeeeeeerp of course. you can cloak while they're running, but they shut off after the cycle's completed.

barrak, yes, passive boosts (shield, agility, armor, targeting range, scan res) are passed on automatically whether cloaked or not as long as the booster is in system and in space.

usually an OGB just warps to a safe, flies in a straight line, and cloaks up when someone comes near them.

T3's are able to fit 1 link and still fit very decent tank/dps, thing is that because of that stupid +5% everyone fits as much as they can because off grid :easy-mode:

It's a combination of things:

- best bonuses
- can be fit with covops cloak
- can be fit with nullifier
- leaderships skills are a pain to train and is mostly done on alts because of it

Thus a T3 version is a "drop alt at safespot and forget about it" and as such, if fitted correctly with ECCM, difficult to destroy. A Command ship is sluggish, can't fit a covert cloak has issues with bubbles and can be probed out easier so command ships tend to be in the actual fight, which generally means it'll be a main instead of an alt. The problem is that there it's in more danger being destroyed, while its added dps is secondary... at best.

But if the Gang link "nerfs" will happen (and they should) then you'll see more Damnations, Vulture and Claymores again. which works fine in smaller engagements but in big fleets fights (which I personally don't care about) they'll ofcourse be primaried each and every time.




It's not very logical to do so, you still lose tank and a gang link uses tons of fitting meaning you have to compromise left and right, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There's ofcourse always fringe scenarios where it will but on average it's not really an option.

Theoretically, before the buff to scanning / nerf to hiding ships, it was possible to jam a ton of ECCM's and 2 command processors in the mids of a Loki, and the thing was unscannable. The sensor strength would be larger than the sig of the ship, once the Loki's own boosts were applied.

Now, if I am correct (as I have said, not flown one) it is just really difficult to scan one down.
You can set up a T3 that will zip along at over 1000 m/s forever. Now imagine that in some deep safe spot where it is really tough to scan down in the first place.

Once you scan it down, and warp to that location, the Loki has moved quite some distance from that location.
As long as the Loki pilot is not an idiot and completely afk, by the time you are in position to tackle it, the Loki can warp off to a new safe spot.

The fit below is a hypothetical T3 3 link booster.
Like I said, I have never flown a Loki booster (that 22K EHP goes poofy way too fast), but do love my Claymore, both the shield and armour version (75K tank and lots of glorious mids to RSB and Remote ECCM tacklers and logi's)

[Loki, Booster]
Federation Navy Co-Processor
Federation Navy Co-Processor
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Domination 10MN Afterburner
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

T3 gives better boosts, but to give 3 boosts it can't really entire combat without getting instafucked.

CS gives lesser boosts, but can give them without having to gimp fit completely.